Cameron calls for Cyprus solution this year

By Jasper Mortimer in Ankara Published on July 28, 2010

CYPRUS’ leaders should aim to conclude the re-unification negotiations this year, British Prime Minister David Cameron said yesterday.

“Cyprus remains a great, unsolved problem of Europe and we cannot forever leave it to one side,” Cameron told a press conference with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The new British leader had come to Ankara for an under 24-hour visit to promote trade and sign a “strategic partnership” accord with Turkey. He laid a wreath at Ataturk’s tomb, addressed a business forum, held nearly two hours of talks with Erdogan, spoke to British and Turkish reporters, and then flew off to India.

“I’m here to make the case for Turkey’s membership of the EU,” he told business executives, before expounding the virtues of Turkey’s 11 percent growth in the first quarter of 2010, a population of young people bigger than any EU state, its influence in the Middle East, and its role in the international operation in Afghanistan. Rarely have Turks heard such an ardent champion of their country’s membership of the European Union.

“A European Union without Turkey is not stronger but weaker, not more secure but less, not richer but poorer,” the prime minister said. “More than any other, which European country’s growth could drive growth for us all?”

But Cameron did not tell Turkey that it had to open its ports and airports to Cypriot-flagged ships and aircraft - as German Chancellor Angela Merkel did when she visited Ankara in March. Nor did he urge the country to re-open the Greek Orthodox seminary on Heybeliada island and do more to make peace with the Kurds - as US President Barack Obama did when he came to Turkey last year.

However, Cameron did urge Ankara to use its influence for a settlement in Cyprus. “We want you to continue to work towards a solution in Cyprus, despite our disappointment that a huge effort six years ago was unsuccessful,” the prime minister said at the business forum.

He and Erdogan discussed Cyprus and, in the press conference afterwards, Cameron endorsed Erdogan’s view that Cypriot President Demetris Christofias and Turkish Cypriot leader Dervish Eroglu should strive to finish by December 31 the negotiations that they began in September 2008.

“This should be the year when we get a settlement,” Cameron said.

When a Turkish journalist asked what role could Britain play in the Cypriot peace process, Cameron spoke of “helping bring people together”.

He had spoken to Christofias “about the importance of making progress this year, rather than put it off,” he said. There was a need to make headway on the issues of territory and property.

In addition to the Cypriots’ own need for a settlement, the Cyprus Problem “stands in the way of Turkey’s membership of the EU” Cameron said. “So the faster we can solve (the Cyprus Problem), the faster we can resolve Turkey’s membership of the E.U.”

Sat, July 31st 2010 at 00:19

Fevzi from Surrey comments:

I find it so sad that the hatred that saturates this site is so poisonous. The Cyprus Mail has a fantastic readership all over the world. I am a Turkish Cypriot living in Surrey [hey, there was almost a song title for Sting fans there!!] and I regularly tune it. Point is people can see that many GCs do not have any intention of doing anything remotely positive on Cyprus. We voted to reunify the island back in 2004. A point that Cameron did well to point out in his speech in Ankara. We were going to make concessions on land - a solution was worked out on property which is pretty much what is evolving via the courts [Demopolous case] - and the Turkish army would have all but left the island by now. Only 650 would have remained. Let's face it. Greek Cypriot's also got duped by PapaD and now, as Rolandis has said on many occassions you are paying the price. Dignity and Respect is the key to any good relationship. I always said that if we can have a genuine positive communciation this could pave the way for something historic to take place in Cyprus. Alas I fear no positive history is on the horizon, but time till tell.
Peace out,
Embargoed!

Fri, July 30th 2010 at 20:44

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

TC Girl, the more you talk to me the more beautiful you become. Live anywhere near Islington?

Fri, July 30th 2010 at 20:40

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

nerol, "pistachios, dried figs, almonds, and a bottle of water". Very high tech I must say, turkey has come a long way.

Fri, July 30th 2010 at 19:53

nerol comments:

Dave the Impaler; you should know that assumptions can result in wrong conclusions. My motherland, whatever that is, is not where you assume it is. If you look closer again, you will notice that the European Union comes before UK&NI and all EU passports are alike. No blue passports or pink or black and no reference to Her Majesty either. I was in a Liverpool health food shop today and I bought pistachios, dried figs, almonds, and a bottle of water, all from Turkey, made by packed by produced by and on and on it goes. If you want to play silly word games, and by the way impaling what Vlad? we can do so. Or we can be grown up and pretend that all the hot air that emanates from the little Mediterranean island actually matters.

Fri, July 30th 2010 at 18:37

Turkish-Cypriot Girl! comments:

@DAVE THE IMPALER

I don't understand why everybody is trying to use the EU as a weapon against Turkey! Many Turks are against the idea of Turkey entering the EU! I said this to you before and I will say it again Turkey's future lies with KEMALISM alone not with the EU or the current AKP government! Why don't you talk about Greece in the same language as you do about Turkey?? Is Greece in a much better socio-economic condition than Turkey at the moment? believe it or not those companies also exist in Turkey so alot of mainland-Turks also enjoy buying and wearing Marks and Spencer clothes for example while drinking their Turkish-Coffee :-) and H&M also has some of their clothing produced in Greece because funny enough my H&M swimwear was made in Greece and it cost about five quid (Sterling) so.......

Fri, July 30th 2010 at 18:02

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

nerol, Not That it's any of your business but my passport is British and in large letters it states EUROPEAN UNION, UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND. The Republic of Cyprus Passports state similar. If it's such a bad thing then why does your motherland wants so badly to be part of the EU?

You didn't answer my question, can you tell me what does turkey actually make that's 100% turkish
Gap, Marks & Spencer, Burberry, Next, H&M, Renault, Vodafone, Tesco, Rolls Royce, AstraZeneca (I used to work for them) and GlaxoSmith Kline. All these companies use cheap turkish labour and we in the west can enjoy good qulity products at low prices whilst sipping our Greek Coffee

Fri, July 30th 2010 at 09:59

Harry Theofanus from Forida USA comments:

Comments to British Leader on Cyprus Talks

Once again this time the British Prime Minister David Comeron with the Foreign Minister Mr. William Hague expressed the British support to the Cypriot talks and the UN’s efforts to achieve a Cyprus settlement. Stating, “We want to see a settlement agreed and successfully implemented to deliver a stable, prosperous and united Cyprus, operating as a valued partner within the EU”. Also this time the British Leader on his visit to Turkey showed anger at the “slow pace” of Turkey’s EU negotiations.

We welcome the statement especially if it means that Britain is going to mead her applications towards Cyprus and the Cypriots, BUT we question the December 31 2010 deadline date with the following comments;
a) Did Britain as Guarantor power of the Republic and one of the five permanent members of the UNSC requested the IMPLEMENTATION of any UNSC adopted resolutions on Cyprus? Resolutions that after implementation could result in helping to without delay solve the problem based on UN adopted resolutions? We do not recall any such demand or request.
b) Did Britain as a member of the Guarantor powers of the Republic of Cyprus try to prevent the Greek military coup or the Turkish invasion, the two terrorist acts committed against the Republic of Cyprus of July and August of 1974 other than helping the legal president of Cyprus to go to the UN and plea the Cyprus case?. We believe that Britain as a Guarantor power of the Republic of Cyprus did not PRACTICE JUSTICE to the Cypriots and Cyprus during the last 36 years.
c) It is true that Britain supported the UN talks that included all five Annan plans, none of them designed to serve the people and the human rights of the legal citizens of the Republic of Cyprus a full member of the UN and the Commonwealth.
d) Britain as a guarantor power of Cyprus and EU member never demanded from Turkey 1) to open its ports and airports to Cypriot-flagged ships and aircraft as per agreement to start the EU membership talks, 2) to respect religious and ethnic rights in Turkey and the Turkish occupited north part of Cyprus.

As an overseas Cypriot among numerous others that follows the Cyprus problem since the 50’s strongly believe that a just, lasting and workable Cyprus reunification solution can only be achieved if; a) The UNSC with mainly the permanent members remove all outside interferences from Cyprus according to the UN adopted resolutions, b) Give the needed time to the European Union to make all Cypriots feel European citizens and act accordingly, keeping always their ethnic and religious believes as all other European countries citizens do. c) The Guarantor powers realize that Cyprus as a full member of the EU and the UN does not need Guarantors and the Cypriots must be left alone under the UNSG’s supervision to solve THEIR OWN internal problems. Then and only then a just lasting and workable agreement can be reached with Cyprus operating as a valued partner within the EU.

Mr. Prime Minister David Comeron, 36 years have been exhausted because the UNSC did not implement adopted resolutions on Cyprus to assist in finding a just, workable and lasting solution. The Guarantor powers did not jointly consider the Cypriots human rights when trying to solve the reunification problem before or after the coup and invasion of 1974. Turkey sends and allowed illegal settlers into the occupied area of Cyprus that now outnumber the legal T/C’s. The Annan plan #5 was unworkable, undemocratic with numerous human rights violations. The “Cyprus by the Cypriots reunification talks” that rumors have it is a “British idea” does not appear to work due to the present conditions in Cyprus and above all with the Turkish military is controlling the security and the police of the Turkish occupied area of Cyprus.
YET Mr. Prime Minister you tell the world including the Cypriots, the Kurds, and the European Union that you are anger at the “slow pace” of the Turkish EU negotiations and that you want to see a settlement agreed by the two Cypriot leaders and successfully implemented by the G/C’s and the T/C’s THIS YEAR ie in less than six months. We ask you Mr. Prime Minister is Britain now going to use CONCRETE ACTIONS rather than wards to mead her applications towards the EU and Cyprus by DEMANDING, a) From Turkey to implement UN adopted resolutions that can help the Cypriots to find a just workable and lasting solution, resolutions involving security and Human Rights violations in Cyprus, b) Requesting from Turkey to stop Human Rights violations against the Kurdish, the Armenians and other minorities to help her with the EU membership problem.

Harry Theofanus Human Rights Advocate

Fri, July 30th 2010 at 00:02

Andreas from Australia comments:

Cameron like the queen have no interests in the settlement of the Cyprus issue. They stand to loose their bases if this occurs and for this reason alone they are unwilling to see a settlement on this Island.It is not a genuine call. Britain has let Cyprus many time before and this just another lip service.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 23:44

Turkish-Cypriot Girl! comments:

Every year it is the same politcal shenanigans regarding the Cyprus issue. This Cyprus charade ended in 1974! Finished! Case Closed.

@John Alexander

I know you want us TC's gone but just to let you know you missed that train long time ago ;-) EOKA/Sampson tried and they failed! this was their destiny! So I guess your only weapon against us Turks, is vomiting over the internet with your racist insults and ani-turkism propaganda! mana mou :-( you poor thing. :-(

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 23:01

James JH lockhart comments:

To All genuine posters,

Do not be Angry With posters like Christopher/HaSSan or JT or john Alexander,

They are Just Agitors Stirring up Hatreds, between races, and Do not represent Main Stream GC Opinion, As Agitors they have the Following Aims

1. Stop the CM having a internt posting System (so maybe other newspapers Do not like it, or the Rustafeti people Do not like being named So hire a idiot to create mayhem)

2. Sir up Racial hatreds between the People of Different races

So genuine posters Do not let these Agitors Win, Fight to keep the posting System

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 19:50

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

nerol, turkey has done well over the past 10 years I agree with you. competing against India, china, Bangladesh, Vietnam, etc. Within the cheap labour markets. But can you tell me what does turkey actually make that's 100% turkish

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 19:44

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

Nerol, I think maybe you're the one living in denial. Because the REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS EU Passport is excepted in more countries without a visa then even your Turkish Passports and as for the KFC passport. Well lets face it, it's not really worth the paper its written on is it.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 19:40

nerol comments:

Truth be told, here are some comments and objective statistics to keep you seething. You are right Cyprus is tiny and like a mosquito only irritating to those who are bothered by it.

UK Trade & Investment Chief Executive Sir Andrew Cahn said:
“Turkey is an economic powerhouse with enormous potential for UK companies. With current growth levels of 11 per cent, it is tipped to be Europe’s second largest economy by 2050. Situated at the crossroads between east and west, doing business in Turkey can provide a foothold for companies looking to do business in the Middle East, European and Central Asian markets”

· OECD estimates that Turkey will be the fastest-growing economy after China and India by 2017.
· Turkey is one of the world’s largest markets with a population of 73 million, of which 60 per cent is under the age of 35.
· A key Turkish investor is Beko, which makes one in 10 of the UK’s refrigerators.

· Turkey is the number one TV manufacturer in Europe. It makes a third of all flat-screen TVs and is the largest DVD player producer in Europe.
· Turkey is the world's 6th largest clothing manufacturer and the 2nd largest supplier to the EU (after China). Turkish companies manufacture garments for many world-renowned brands including Gap, Marks & Spencer, Burberry, Next and H&M.
· Turkey’s construction/contracting sector is the second largest in the world, after China.
· One in four of the largest companies in the Middle East and North Africa are Turkish.
· 65 per cent of industrial exports from the Middle East and North Africa originate from Turkey.
· More than 2,000 UK companies are already doing business in Turkey, including household names such as Vodafone, Tesco and Marks & Spencer, Rolls Royce, AstraZeneca and GlaxoSmith Kline.
· Turkey’s tourism sector is one of the biggest in the world. It is the 7th most visited country in the world.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 19:35

nerol comments:

Dave the delusional Impaler: Ignorance still does not make it a Cypriot passport

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 19:03

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

nerol, enjoy from the REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/fury-over-turkish-cypriot-politicians-...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2969089.stm

"I'm going to get a Cypriot passport so I can get a job in Europe," said one young Turkish Cypriot man before running off to present his ID card to the Greek Cypriot police.
BBC

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 18:32

nerol comments:

Dave the brave Impaler, I know it is painful for you to admit but there are no "Republic" passports. Incase you have failed to notice they are red and have funny stars on them. Not that I want to stop you living the dream {or delusion}

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 13:29

John from Cyprus comments:

This site is getting progressively worse - if that's possible.
No reasonable debate is possible whilst the idiots are posting
under various different names. The moderation is non-existant
and not even the minor rules are adhered to by either the
posters or the Cyprus Mail.

My suggestion to the Cyprus Mail would be to either install a
proper comments facility with delayed publishing or remove the
facility all together.

What is certain is that it will dissuade people from visiting or
participating.

With all the above said I doubt anyone at the Cyprus Mail will take
any notice - they haven't in the past when this has been brought up
by many, many readers.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 12:56

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

Loriot, dude honestly does it really matter where Christoph is from or who he is? At the end of the day who cares. As long as this sites not censored under some rubbish penal code then thats a good thing right.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 12:53

Terry from Cyprus comments:

I read articles on here and then sometimes scroll down to gauge a few opinions.

It's really difficult when every story is hijacked by the same people saying the same thing.

It's boring for everyone else. If you don't like each other......fine we get it........if you want to do damage to each other.......that's fine as well.

Why not arrange to meet up and settle any differences like men rather than sqabble like little girls on here?

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 10:06

MELIOS A. IOANNIDES comments:

To the Editor,
by deleting comments of substance because they promote a better understanding on how the majority of this unfortunate island feels when outsiders conspire against or decide on its behalf for its future,shows that there is a clear tendency towards pro-Anglo-Turkish stance which if correctly analysed can only serve anything but the Cuprus interests.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 09:24

ozcanhan comments:

to john Alexandre from london
sarcastic, but realistic at the same time
let them get your sound message and read it properly
öz

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 09:14

ozcanhan comments:

What else can I say!!
Well done Cameron, no one from the EU could do any better.
Thanks for all the good words about Turkey.
Nonetheless ı am sceptic about Britih policies as always for the known reason that Brits cannot be trusted.
Yes, we do want a solution at earliest possible time.
The theree Guarantors ; Britain Greece and Turkey have the biggest responsibility to guide the two sides in Cyprus to work out an amicable , acceptable, workable settlement.
Thanks Mr. Cameron, we need more than wrods from you
ozcanhan

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 08:58

Loriot from Lapta comments:

Well, John Alexander's proposal is a rather tasteless satirical attempt that he himself would not take serious. After all, the fire department of Edirne would be sufficient to sink the whole Greek army into the Aegean.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 08:52

Emir Soler comments:

At last, Greek nationalist and racist John Alexander from London come clean with his Cyprus proposal for solution.

“My concrete proposal is that I would like to hire a large boat, put all the TCs on board, take it out to sea and sink it. I would then declare union of our beautiful island Cyprus with our glorious motherland Hellas, home of Pericles and Leonidas, of Kolokotronis and Makriyiannis. I then propose that the glorious Hellenic armed forces invade Turkey, force the Mongol bastards from Asia Minor before we march to Constantinople and reclaim the City for Hellenism – killing in the most ruthless fashion possible any Turks we encounter on the way.
John Alexander from London
Thu, July 29th 2010 at 02:21

Now, that’s why Cyprus will never be united, and two communities will always live a part, Turkish guarantee will be maintained for the security of minority Turkish Cypriots.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 08:27

Loriot from Lapta comments:

Christoph 'from USA' is a North London electrician who sometimes poses as Hassan Kemal from Kyrenia.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 07:40

john from uk comments:

or mrs moderator...sry....

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 07:39

john from uk comments:

Thank goodness the decision if and when it is made is not in your hands...the abuse is appaling.....childish...you should read what you have said and reflect.....this is a public site and many read...yes i know if i dont like it then dont read it...i hoped there would be sosme useful dialogue sadly it has degenerated as usual...mr moderator where are you...

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 02:58

Christoph from USA comments:

John Alexander and I should get paid for babysitting. Is this the best the other side can produce?? Haw, haw, haw...!

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 02:40

John Alexander from London comments:

I don't mind at all, Dave. Anything to get up the noses of the 'Mongol bastards'.

See what you've done now, Bambouin. You've got me on a self-fulfilling prophecy. You keep telling me I'm an evil Greek nationalist and I've come to believe it.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 02:30

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

John, that was good. If you don't mind i'd like to Plagiarize it and use in on a couple of turky sites. Stuff like that really makes them even more paranoid.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 02:10

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

bambos, your turky compatriots cross the Green Line to the south every day, seeking education, employment, medical and social services, and apply for Republic passports by the thousands!

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:56

Bambouin from Planet L comments:

Hey John - All I read in your (yes, I am happy you have finally mastered the possessive form of you) message below are personal insults. Kindly direct me to your concrete proposals...

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:54

Bambouin from Planet L comments:

Dave(?) - I didn't know "turky kids" were educated in Cyprus. Normally, the young birds are referred to as Poults or Chicks, and don't receive any education, but are rather eaten at Thanksgiving or Christmas. Cyprus must be very advanced indeed to educate its Turkeys.

Just playing with you, Dave. I wouldn't know, but I seriously doubt that half of the Turkish / Turkish Cypriot kids head south every day for their education.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:54

John Alexander from London comments:

Bambouin: You keep asking me for my idea of a possible compromise, I keep providing it and you come back asking for it again. What bizarre behaviour. I'm now thinking that I was wrong to suggest that either you need your (happy, now?) head examined or your critical faculties developed. You need both or, alternatively, you should just stop drinking, because your comments are now something like those of a boring pub drunk. 'Let me tell you about the Annan plan, you bastards. One more drink and I'll tell you about the provisions for power sharing. Can't you see how wonderful it is? You're just a bunch of bastards. The Annan plan is the solution to all the world's problems. I can see it. Why can't you? It's because you're a bunch of bastards.'

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:48

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

Bambos, From what I understand half the turky kids on the island get their education from the "Cyprus state school system".

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:38

Bambouin from Planet L comments:

He he, good one Dave the Impaler (?). Are you related to Vlad by any chance?

KFC University? Me neither, but I bet you eat KFC all the time xorkati. Anyway, if you were educated in the Cyprus state school system, then you certainly had about 12 years of crap education in re-writing history.

Ela re koumbare, Dave? Pos onomazesai sta alitheia?

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:30

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

Bambos, was it really approved by the EU?. I must have missed that one. Probably because I didn't go to the world famous school of crap at the KFC University of re-writing history.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:25

Bambouin from Planet L comments:

Dave the Impaler (?) - good lord, with such a macho name, I would expect you to be at the forefront of the imminent invasion of the north, in company of Christoph, JA and their group of greek muskateer clowns. Or perhaps you mean Dave the Impaled, Christoph's little beeyatch ?

Actually, the Plan was approved by the EU, they were fully OK with it, and rather miffed when Papadop pulled his little trick with the fake tears.

But, since you seem to be yet another nationalistic beef head who opposes the Annan Plan while waiting for the "european solution", why don't you let us know your realistic proposals for a Cyprob solution?

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:24

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

trixi from the KFC, When Lord Byron traviled to turkey in the 19th century. He wrote about how the turks and english were very similor "The turks would drink sherbet and sodomise. The English would drink ale and brawl". I wonder if David Cameron's brave enough to quote Lord Byron? in the same way Margaret Thatcher did back in the 80's.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:19

trixi from girne comments:

Well, done cameron!
I would like to thank all the London greek cypriots for voting for him.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:18

Bambouin from Planet L comments:

John Alexander, dear boy, continue your fantasies, blah, blah, blah, what do I care, but please, please, tell us what realistic solution do you then propose...you're long on hot air, but cruelly short on concrete proposals....

I'm begining to think John Alexander is just an AI (artificial intelligence - yes, I realise that intelligence is an oxymoron in his case) programme created by KYP under Papadop which simply posts standard Cyprus Ministry of Foreign Affairs answers to any post having to do with the Cyprob. It looks for key words, and then creates a standard response.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:18

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

well done james found my little Dyslexia Secrete.
Nothing gets past you

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:13

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

Bambouin, The US-inspired, British written, Turky-approved 5th Annan plan, pleeeease, it was NEVER "EU or UN approved". The US and UK stated their wish to have it approved by the UNSC, but gave up in the face of insufficient votes, not to mention possible Chinese and French vetoes. The Annan's plan was NEVER endorsed by the Security Council, and whatever support for it in the EU came from INDIVIDUALS and not collective or state resolutions. And mostly as a "wish".

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:09

James JH lockhart comments:

Dave

you are right ther Christopher is a legand ie A Leg and on my Knees to James

A legend maybe, With all the Idenities and personalities he holds.

Goodnight All I need Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:09

John Alexander from London comments:

And just to be clear, the Annan plan would have abolished the Republic of Cyprus at a stroke, created a confederation of two independent states, and ridden roughshod over basic human rights and democratic norms. There would have been no right of return for refugees, all the settlers would have been allowed to stay and the three freedoms of movement, settlement and ownership would have been severely restricted or abolished altogether. Of course, there were other things in it – provisions for government, economy and security – that were equally unjust and unworkable, but who wants to regurgitate arguments against the Annan abomination all over again; it's been consigned to the dustbin of history, where it belongs. The only people who bring it up now are Bambouin and Nikolas Papadopoulos, who's still grieving for his father. I've suggested what Bambouin's problems might be in my previous comment.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 01:06

Bambouin from Planet L comments:

John Alexander from London,

First off, let me draw your attention to your endearing but distracting habit of disregarding the rules of proper spelling: "Either you have an unhealthy fixation with the defunct and discredited Annan plan because you need you're (sic) head examined..."

John, it's "you need your head examined". "your" as in the possessive form of "you", not "you're" as in "you are".
Now that this formality is mercifully out of the way, let us delve into the subject matter.

I have no fixation with the plan. However, as it is the only plan that was approved by the EU, the UN, the US, Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots, it remains the only realistic plan for a solution, other than partition. And I prefer the Annan Plan to partition - what about you?

Indeed, I have read the Annan Plan (I'm somewhat nerdy in that sense, in that I actually like to know what I'm talking about), although I seriously doubt you have. Rather than re-hashing all of the arguments right now - although I will be more than happy to have this debate again, should you choose to do so - might I ask you to finally answer the question that I, and several others, have posed to you many times in the past, namely, if you don't like the Annan Plan, what realistic alternative do you propose?
Please let us know ...

And, if do not wish to negotiate with the Turkish side, what then do you propose ???

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 00:59

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

Emir from the KFC, how was your cheap beer under the turky flag?

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 00:57

Emir Soler from TRNC comments:

'
I am looking to see if elephants are flying?
When they do, Cyprus will unite and problem will be solved.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 00:49

John Alexander from London comments:

Bambouin; there's either one of two things going on with you. Either you have an unhealthy fixation with the defunct and discredited Annan plan because you need you're head examined; or, you genuinely do not understand all of its provisions and their implications in which case you need to develop your critical faculties and read more widely. In fact, if Annan was the 'painful compromise' we've been told to expect and not capitulation, what did Erdogan mean when he declared after being presented with the plan that 'this is the greatest victory for Turkish diplomacy since Lausanne'?

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 00:40

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

Christoph, you legand. Keep it up dude

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 00:33

James JH lockhart comments:

Bang,

With my luck christopher Would turn up without a screwdriver, !!!

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 00:10

nicos comments:

bang, just out of curiosity where are you from and what nationality are you, you r comments are right so far, somebody needs to tell things as they are to wake Greek Cypriots up to reality.

Thu, July 29th 2010 at 00:03

bang comments:

Christoph your comments prove that you are a loser, and all you need to do now is to get a job and get a life :) unless you add something to this conversation like gibratsi, bambouni and James dont even bother writting anything, go sit in your hole whereever it is, in US or in Greece to me it doesnt matter because both countries are so busted that i dont see any turning back, turkey on the other side is doing better than cyprus, greece etc.. and remember i am not turk or cypriot. i am just a person with common sense and i live here, i want to see both sides together and i love this island, because it is my 2nd home... so what u need to do is go out stand in life infront of labor office and get yourself a job so you dont waste time posting pathetic comments :)

good luck, or you can go fix James lights and he will pay you good, James please help this guy out he needs money :) and his electrical engineering is going to waste :)

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 23:45

gibratsi comments:

What is annoying to the likes of me and you Bambouin,is that we do not see a better plan on the horizon.Regretfully as you call it, amicable separation is the only solution.Papadopoullos,God have mercy on his soul will never see the result of his tearful appeal to the voters to turn down the Anaan Plan.Demetris Christofias though must be having lots of sleepless nights for betraying his birthplace.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 23:35

Bambouin from Planet L comments:

Gibratsi - I agree. No family connection with Morphou for me, but it would have been nice for all refugees or displaced, GC or TC, to be able to return to their homes if they wanted, or at least get some of their property back, and compensation for the rest.
Despite the fools like Christoph, JA et al., and in fairness quite a few on the TC/Turkish side as well, I believe that it would have worked out fine over time. Although both sides have legitimate fears of the other, these could have been solved gradually over time, as was provided for in the plan. Alas, it is not to be. Too bad. If a similar solution cannot be found again, then at least hopefully some sort of amicable seperation can be reached. What a pity...

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 23:26

gibratsi from London UK comments:

Bambouin

I still maintain that the likes of our adversaries , Christoph and John Alexander did not read the Anaan Plan which was put to the referendum in 2004.In Cyprus the GCs turned down the Anaan Plan because the Church and Tommy it's leader threatened to condemn them to hell.It would be comical if it wasn't true!

My opinion is that you can't have a reasoned argument with the NO camp.Just think about it Christoph and John Alexander,six years on today you would have been able to swim in Famagusta and you would have been able to pick oranges in Morphou.

So please let us know John Alexander, what sort of 'compromise' would you favour.We are all dying to know.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 23:15

James JH lockhart comments:

christopher I give you Some Work

My house in Emba needs a few light Bulbs Changed, They are Screwbase not Pin So you not Have a problem

But is it Christopher from USA or HaSSan from Kyrenia or is there more Personalities inside your Frame. ???

Shame you never Auditioned for the Rainmaker Film, You be perfect.

Oh By the Way Cyprus is South of Turkey and North of Egypt See even the Scots Will Help you identify the Subject.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 23:06

Concerned from EU comments:

Mr. Cameron has forgotten to ask the British electorate if they want Turkey in Europe and Turkish immigrants arriving in Britain in droves.
And ofcourse he has forgotten to mention the human rights abuses and massacres by the Turkish state of Armenians, Alevis Kurds,invasion of Cyprus etc,etc, etc.
As every school boy knows, who has not gone to Eaton, Turkey is not in Europe. But Mr, Cameron though knows how to massage the Turkish ego. That's something for a politician.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 22:56

Bambouin from Planet L comments:

Oh no, Bang, run for your life, Christoph has started to "Haw-haw-haw" again, whatever that means.

I think in American "English", that means something like, "I don't have the balls to confront the Turks, nor do I wish to negotiate a realistic solution with them, so I'll just keep cowering in my pathetic hole, producing hot air...."

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 22:53

Bambouin from Planet L comments:

Thanks John Alexander - finally, a response from one of our brave, fearless armchair leaders of the struggle for freedom in Cyprus...

"John Alexander from London comments:
Bambouin: what makes you think that I am not prepared to compromise? There is a difference, however, between compromise and capitulation – capitulation being what you seem to favour. I accept that, given the Turkish invasion and occupation, and to avoid partition, we have to accept some sort of federation involving two zones, in which TCs will have autonomy just short of independence."

Yo dude, sorry for stating the obvious, but that's exactly what the Annan Plan provided for !!! - yet you constantly rail against the Plan? Just another case of JA being slightly economical with the truth..and rather schizo if I may say so myself. JA, if you were prepared to compromise, you would have recognised the Annan Plan for the God-send that it was for the GCs, and voted for it.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 22:52

Loriot from Lapta comments:

bang: Christoph is a North London electrician sometimes posing as Hassan from Kyrenia. I am not sure he knows that the AC current in the US is 110V.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 22:45

bang comments:

and christoph get a life dude, you if i am not mistaken said u r the electrical engineer but you seem to have so much time free that u r present in every comment section, i guess you are jobless like other hundreds and thousands of americans and all you do is sit at home and check cyprus mail, go find a job man, leave cyprus alone, you got nothing to do with cyprus, let cypriots handle cyprus problem, you dont even live here, what a loser you are... you are really pissing me off...... if u worry so much go to greece and do something about greece or worry about US, both are not well economically, stop worrying about cyprus, you are not needed here.... everytime i go online to check news u r there bullshitting about something.. get a life please get a life...

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 22:43

John Alexander from London comments:

Bambouin: what makes you think that I am not prepared to compromise? There is a difference, however, between compromise and capitulation – capitulation being what you seem to favour. I accept that, given the Turkish invasion and occupation, and to avoid partition, we have to accept some sort of federation involving two zones, in which TCs will have autonomy just short of independence. However, while I'm willing to make concessions to the TCs, who are genuine and legitimate inhabitants of Cyprus, I do not accept any solution that preserves or enhances the presence of Turkey on the island. And I cannot accept that the two zones should be ethnically 'pure'. This is an abomination. The three freedoms – movement, settlement, ownership – must be inviolable, as far as I'm concerned. The TCs have no legitimate fears that can justify their suspension.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 22:40

bang comments:

Keep out of cyprus says that turkey is in middle east, dude open your eyes where is cyprus then, in north america :) haha..... you guys are funny... i am not supporting any country here but facts are facts, turkey is a growing economic power and cyprus together with greece is losing it big time.. the way EU is going i dont think anyone would want to join them in the next decade, most probably those who are in it would want to run away.. look at cyprus, cyprus has suffer more because of EU than anyone else, and germany the poor germans had to actually buy greece to bail it out... its all fucked up here, no money but you drive nice cars and live in big houses, all thanks to the banks, wake up people of cyprus, stop blaming others for your problems, and deal with ur own shit yourselves..ur lives are fake and all you see here is fake, you ask people to buy properties but dont give away title deeds, u want skilled immigrants to come and work here because ur own people are too busy boozing around and u make their life hard, u take tax from everyone but dont give benefits, i just wonder who the hell let u in EU, and ur mommy greece is doomed, look at them bombing the shit out of their country, strikes fights and all kind of shit happening there, and u still walk around with greece flags, where is ur own identity, i see more greece flags here than i see cypriot, u guys are so lost that u cant even find a way back, give your economy another couple of months, let the brits dont show up the ones u hate so much and then fix ur economy, ur whole fake economy is based in these british tourists, otherwise whatelse do u got.. u guys always cry, turkey did this turkey did that, to hell with turkey, let it go, this is 2010 work on ur country stop worrying about turkey they are doing much better than u and if u dont change ur attitude, it wont matter if they are not in EU and u r, because they will still be better off... facts are facts and someone needs to tell them..

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 22:25

James JH lockhart comments:

John Alexander.

your latest post on Gavin Jones Who is Anglo Cypriot. Just Shows your ignorance, Inbred hatreds

JT Well You asked a ? Why I as a person Who Owns Land in the South thought, And I told you Straight the Corruption of the ROC sickens me. You then backed off You want me to name the GCs caught in Corruption ?? What do You think MAINSTREAM EU Countries think of your Police, Lawyers, Banks, Political leaders, THE LOT OF THEM EMBROILED IN RUSTAFELI ie Corruption to the rest of the World.

Christopher a man With Split Personalities, He Not got one connection With Cyprus !! Add in the ELAM FREAKS and that What you got

ROC 2010 !!!!

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 22:14

Bambouin from Planet L comments:

Oh no, Christoph the American beast has awoken, run for your lives before he "Haw-haw-haws" all over you all...

Seriously Christoph...I'm not a Brit, but I have to say it takes a lot of cheek (or, as Americans might say, it takes some big cajones - not that you have any at all, but you can always dream) for an American (or so you claim) to criticize the quality of any foreign leader. Dubya has forever equated stupidity with America in the eyes of the world, but I digress....

The real reason I am addressing this post to you and the other fearless, armchair Greek freedom fighters (a most distinguished group that includes JA, Marcus, Andreas, JT, and the other pathetic Greek muskateers) is to enquire about the progress of your upcoming liberation of the north of Cyprus. You, JA and the other clowns steadfastly proclaim your unwillingness to compromise, and your desire to defend Hellenism, so I am anxiously awaiting news of your glorious, imminent invasion of the "TRNC". Any progress on that front ???

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 22:07

Phil from uk comments:

Christoph: You are right, What the Brits think about the Cyprus problem is the same as the rest of europe. Nothing.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 21:53

Phil from uk comments:

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 21:24

Loriot from Lapta comments:

I do not know, Zak, how your UK immigration problem relates to the subject. However, no Turkish citizen of Kurdish background without PKK affiliation has a problem to prosper in Turkey, millions have done so.
Where do you find a reference to Turks in Germany?

If you are a supporter of the likes of Enoch Powell you need not say any more!

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 21:04

gibratsi from London UK comments:

WOW !!!!
John Alexander the voice of reason has spoken once again.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 20:42

Zak from UK comments:

The fact is Mr Loriot of Lapta, that thousands of Turks from Turkey are being allowed to come to the U.K.
How?
Simply by lying to the foreign office and saying that they are Kurds and are seeking political assylum.
They laugh when they talk about this!
Then they proceed to claim housing, unemployment/ child/ and sick benefit.
At the same time they work, and of course (being unemployed)
the pay no tax.
One more thing you should know
Fact:
They have moslem solicitors in the mosques, advising them, and the North Africans how to cheat the system. this was actually confirmed by one of them.
WAKE UP BRITAIN!! Where oh where are men like Enoch Powell????
instead of poodles like Blair/Cameron?
Incedentally check your calculations! the number of Turks in Germany far exceeds your figures

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 20:05

Loriot from Lapta comments:

"The people. Do they like the division." Yes, john!
Definitely in the TRNC and according to many opinion polls in the RoC as well. If a miracle happens and an agreement made by politicians will be presented to both populations for a referendum, the result will be NO. There is no way that both parties will be satisfied with whatever has been agreed to. If that was a possibility it would have happened during the past futile negotiations. There is nothing new on the table.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 19:54

John Alexander from London comments:

Trust me, Gavin Jones, the last thing on my mind is to engage you. You and your views hold absolutely no interest for me. I object to any comment on this forum which I regard as erroneous or giving a false picture of the Cyprus problem. In fact, I find it more interesting to read the views of Fevzi, Loriot and Emir Soler because I at least find out what the other side is thinking, whereas from you all there is is this pathetic attempt to masquerade as a Greek Cypriot and a pompous effort to establish yourself as a 'realist' and a voice of moderation in a sea of ranters and extremists, behind which is a contempt for Cypriots and an ignorance of their culture, history and politics.

I was going to go on to dispute your point about the weak suffering what the strong decide for them and your facile attempt to apply it to Cyprus, but I can't be bothered.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 19:51

john comments:

Having read the comments and views of many today it is clear none of the people contributing give a toss about the crux of the whole thing. The people. Do they like the division.Have they relatives in the North or South they miss and so many other personal things that are disrupted in day to day life as a result of the division.
Why not for a change forget America(37 per owners of BP but zero blame)France,Germany whoever you wish to include in the list including the corrupt,unaccountable catastrophy the EU and think of the people on the street instead.
There was immense suffering at the time of the invasion as there was in many different conflicts before but in the end it is the people who matter not the alleged superpowers who on a daily basis pollute the lives of ordinary citizens.
I wish the 2 leaders every success in a reaching a settlement and will still have turkey for Christmas dinner

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 19:50

Truth be told comments:

So then, nerol, why does Turkey continue to waste its money supporting troops in Cyprus if its such a super power? Just imagine the economic growth if the motherland didn't have to support all those troops sitting on their hands in Cyprus. It is time the motherland woke up to the reality that occuping Cyprus is not helping to advance the nation. Let Cyprus be the tiny island that it is. Somewhere that people from rich countries go for vacationing, and let Turkey focus on being one of the world economic leaders.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 19:34

nerol comments:

Those of you who think that Turkey will be forced to “concede” on Cyprus because she has to in order to enter the EU are misguided. Turkey is playing a political game and has no real desire anymore to join the EU. She does not need to.

Turkey has become a regional economic superpower and slowly but surely will get closer to Iran and Syria and the oil rich Turkic republics and wave goodbye to the EU. Then where will you intransigent demagogues be on the settlement of the Cyprus ‘problem’? The horse has bolted for you. At 10-11/% economic growth Turkey has more in common with India and China than Germany or France or bankrupt Greece. Not that you patriots are ever likely to notice this what with your myopic obsession with imagined Hellenic glories.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 19:18

James JH lockhart comments:

JT

Does the penney Not Drop With You and your ilk.

Its 2010 !!!

And as to your Comments On My House in the South, The ROC has treated the people Who purchased in the South with Such Contempt and in Many Cases complete Dishonesty !!!!!

So While preaching To the World About justice for the North They operate a Banana Republic in the South,

Do you Call That Values ???

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 19:09

Al comments:

JT somone from Pakistan is called a Pakistani. Paki is a racist term
its used in an insulting way. I have got my facts right.
Fair enough your ignorant of language, although you had no trouble identifying what I reffered to knew, so you must have had doubts yourself!

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 18:47

Truth be told comments:

There is a solution to the Cyprus Problem.

It should start with a restructured government that would ensure all citizens of a united Cyprus will be represented. Then hold general elections where anyone with a current Cypriot passport may vote. Once all positions are filled, the full and complete removale of all Turkish forces from the island. Then any refugees that had been forced out of the north should have their land returned. If their old land is now occupied, they should be given a new piece of land equal in value and size.
And from then on, all citizens should be known as Cypriot. Just Cypriot. You are not Greek. Greeks live in Greece. You are not Turkish. Turks kive in Turkey. You are Cypriot.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 18:36

James JH lockhart comments:

JT it Seems can only Make Racists Comments, because he Has No Viable Arguments,

Love the posters

With It Britain it Was USA, it Was Kissenger, it Was Anybody But GREEK CYPRIOTS Who Caused all this.

When are You going to Grow up !!!

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 18:22

James JH lockhart comments:

Keepout of Cyprus

You State oil in Turkey Sorry Wrong Go East from there Past Georgia/Armenia Then You Come to the Oilfields Azerbaijan Eastwards.

No need to Thank Me I am British

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 18:11

Loriot from Lapta comments:

It's precisely juvenile posters like JT who turn this forum into a foul language match. He should be banned here.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 18:05

Al from London comments:

JT can you please not use racist language. Make your point by all means but please...

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 17:22

Andreas from Manchester comments:

The usual suspects trot out the tired old arguments again, thank goodness we have some sense from Gavin!

Cameron is right to argue for Turkey joining the EU, and Turkey well knows it can't do that until the Cyprus problem is resolved. That's why Eroglu has been told to bite his lip and stay in the talks. Everyone knows the 'TRNC' economy would sink without subsidy from Ankara, and all those Army camps aren't cheap to run!

The problem with John Alexander's arguments is that they are part of the flawed 'long struggle' strategy which has got Greek Cypriots precisely nowhere for 36 years. The 'non-solution solution' so beloved of Tassos Papadopolous and his party just leads to a cul-de-sac. But non-solution is not now an option, if the talks fail, then direct trade and de-facto recognition of the TRNC will follow.

Even the bitter enemies in Northern Ireland realised that decades of inter-communal bickering got nobody anywhere. Lets build a united bi-communcal bi-zonal Cyprus. If we get our act together we can have a stronger economy than either our Greek or Turkish 'motherlands.'

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 17:15

Gavin Jones comments:

John Alexander.

It is indeed a pity that you have a tendency to resort to insulting others who do not share your views, in my case accusing me of 'prejudice and pomposity'.
Still, you're simply showing that by attempting to provoke others to engage with you you're probably suffering from a deep-seated persecution complex. Fortunately, the likes of you will always be in the minority so continue with your hateful rants if you must as it only goes to confirm to everyone what a sad specimen you are.

For the record, in the modern era it wasn't only the 'US and the West' who engaged in carving up the world or were the Soviet Union and China the 'good guys'?

You ask me what my point is. I respectfully suggest that you re-read what I posted at 15.41 and you will see that the 'point' is that small nations have to tread a very careful path when dealing with stronger ones. Get it?

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 17:10

Loriot from Lapta comments:

Total waste of time to rehash your stale stories over and over again.
Fact is, the TRNC is still here, alive and kicking, and there is no power on earth to change this unless agreed by both sides of the island.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 17:03

Marcus comments:

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 12:07
Zak from UK

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 10:43
Albert Perahia from St Albans, UK comments

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 11:35
volt from Nicosia comments

Well done, well said.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 16:43

John Alexander from London comments:

Yes, Gavin Jones, Cyprus got 'whacked' because it wasn't prepared to commit suicide for the sake of a few paranoid psychos pursuing the cold war. It joins a long list of countries that got 'whacked' by the US and the 'West' during this period for not subscribing to America's madness: Vietnam, Cambodia, Chile, East Timor – actually, the list is endless. What is your point? Why not make one, if you can? I suspect you can't, because your comments reveal a superficial grasp of the Cyprus reality, informed by nothing more than prejudice and pomposity.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 16:41

wilson comments:

why is so much hate passed through families on both sides of the island of Cyprus, After nearly 40 years it is now time for there to be one island of Cyprus were all people can move around freely.

We are in the year of 2010, not the dark ages its time to go forward not backwards

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 16:33

keepout from Cyprus comments:

Why cant the british government sort out the UK before trying to sort out other countries.

The only reason the USA and the UK are in Turkey is there is the oil they want and sod all the others.

Isn't Turkey in the middle east not europe.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 16:15

Gavin Jones comments:

Quite, John Alexander from London.

You confirm exactly why Cyprus got 'whacked'.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 16:02

John Alexander from London comments:

If Kissinger did call Makarios a 'primitive', I take that as a deep, deep compliment, given the kind of 'sophisticate' Kissinger was. A man who, in different circumstances, would have been charged with any number of war crimes. God forbid that Cypriots should start listening to the exhortations of someone like Kissinger, a truly wicked man, who loathed Makarios, like all US State Department apparatchiks in the 1960s, for his refusal to 'do the decent thing' and accept the Acheson plan for partitioning Cyprus between Greece and Turkey. Makarios' refusal to accept partition is, of course, why the US connived with the Greek junta to get rid of Makarios – partition of Cyprus being an option Greece had been willing to accept for some time.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 15:41

Gavin Jones comments:

Phew! After all that little lot of the usual rantings, ping-pongings of who did what to who, which nation suffered more, general martyrdom and the predictable slagging off of Cameron, when will people realise that all this stuff is irrelevant. ALL Cypriots are minnows in the wider scheme of things and they should have wised up decades ago as to how the world works. 'Big Powers' throughout history have always had their own agendas so why do Cypriots always whinge about it as though it's something new? Get real, people, and learn the rules of the game.

Unfortunately for them, the Cypriots were too naive, self-centred, arrogant and hell bent on bickering amongst themselves to wake up to these realities and got whacked for their pains by the big players. All the above characteristics are in evidence today as witnessed in the ongoing puerile behaviour of Cypriot politicians.

To quote Kissinger, Makarios was a 'primitive' and with his cohorts helped to lead his nation to catastrophe. (Why his picture is still stuck up in public places like some sort of God is a constant source of amazement to many). The current crop of politicians are also 'primitives' and incapable of making any pragmatic, decisive decisions and telling their own people the facts of life.

God help Cyprus.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 15:40

jt comments:

The British PM called on Turkey to press for reforms needed to join the EU. Moreover, the British leader was critical regarding Irans nuclear programme and said the Islamic republic was enriching uranium to 20% with no industrial logic for what they were doing other than to produce a bomb. He also called on Turkey and Israel to continue their relationship despite tensions.

guess turkey hasnt the balls to take israel on, no wonder the pampers have been in demand due to the dhiarhea suffered by israels hardlin and iron fist, what did turkey do she shitherself.....

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 15:33

Bambouin from Planet L comments:

John Alexander -

"Attila: it was the Beach Boys not our 'ventian Catholic brothers' who created Surfdom."

Finally, you write something that is actually witty and, indeed sort of funny !!! There is hope for you yet.

Attila - although you are entirely correct, it was Serfdom, rather than Surfdom, imported/created by the various medieval Christian rulers of Cyprus. Surfdom probably was created by the Beach Boys, as JA asserts.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 15:16

jt from uk comments:

i agree with cameron, he avoids telling turkey straight but politically corrects the ROC cause by telling turkey to resolve the Cyprus problem, how can the muppets not read what the writing states but read differently, oh i see you all suffer with dislexia. just because cameron has said turkey must do more now he is bad, you muppets...........like i have said all the time everytbody is playing turkey until she complies, and she will be used like a whore until she is binned. the eu dont want a country that will not abide by the rules and its no point repeating to somebody the same requirements for admission into the eu, turkey has been told so its up to turkey to understand the entry requirments etc....being turkey no doubt she will ask again what the entry requirements are in order to try and justify her delay in compliance......

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 15:15

James JH lockhart comments:

Get Real,

Maybe the Cyprus Authorities Will Do Some thing on All the Scams, Frauds, Maybe Even Devise a System That People Can Get Title Deeds to Houses they Purchased.

But Maybe Pigs Will Fly First ????

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 14:57

Get Real! from Nicosia comments:

Shouldn’t David Cameron be more concerned with BRITISH WAR CRIMES in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and other parts of the world, instead of promoting a habitual violator of international law and Human Rights abuser like Turkey?

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 14:56

Al from Planet Earth comments:

To John Alexander:

Actually Attila is right on this one. As a GC myself I do know my history. It was under Venetian rule that Cyprus suffered its greatest opression when the Venetians tried to forcibly convert the locals to Catholicism. Under the Ottomans, the Orthodox Church was allowed to operate freely on the proviso they encouraged the population pay taxes to the local Ottoman Governor. The Cypriots did do this and uniquely, Cyprus was the only Ottoman protectorate in its empire where the Orthodox Church was allowed to be practised freely and openly.

It wasnt until the attempted uprising in 1821 that the Church was punished on the island.

There you go!

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 14:50

Loriot from Lapta comments:

Harold, can you please enlighten us as to the composition of this
International Arbitration Tribunal.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 14:45

Harold Fenwick from Paphos comments:

After 36 years of both sides failing in attempts to resolve the "Cyprus Problem", and if the present round of negotiations should again fail to succeed by 31st December this year, it seems to me that Cyprus should take advantage of our own new International Arbitration Centre in Nicosia and allow an International Arbitration Tribunal to take over.

Cyprus people and business interests would benefit so tremendously from unification of any kind that could be agreed upon now. Then make the best of whatever terms can be agreed, imperfect as they might be from both sides point of view.
Just imagine free movement without unnecessary borders, free trade, open airports and seaports, without expensive restrictions, no more military presence and a new prosperity boom as a result
Too good to be true? not if our Leaders PRESS ON AND COMPLETE THE JOB FOR WHICH THEY WERE ELECTED.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 14:37

Loriot from Lapta comments:

Get real: UN resolutions are politically manipulated and are for the birds. Most of them are not enforceable. Tough luck!

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 14:16

Student comments:

Dear Attila etc you are boasting about the 300 year equivalent of conquering of the whole island and complain about the bad treatment from SOME Greek cypriots for a time period of 14 years???
Both nations have wronged and the current generations pay for it!

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 14:09

John Alexander from London comments:

Attila: it was the Beach Boys not our 'ventian Catholic brothers' who created Surfdom.

The rest of what you say is similarly laughable.

Cameron is in India now and I'm sure he'd tell the Indians too that he wanted them in the EU if he thought it would be good for British business. Fair enough. Still, pretty embarrassing if you're British to hear your prime minister fawn and pander to a foreign country in the way Cameron fawned and pandered to Turkey. There's a sign of British degeneracy if ever there was one. I doubt even that the Turks respect such overt sucking up or if they really believe it.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 14:07

Get Real! from Nicosia comments:

Abide by international law…

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

UN RESOLUTION 550 (1984)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr550.htm

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 14:02

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

Attila, dude I feel great

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 13:53

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

When Lord Byron traviled to turkey in the 19th century. He wrote about how the turks and english were very similor "The turks would drink sherbet and sodomise. The English would drink ale and brawl". I wonder if David Cameron's brave enough to quote Lord Byron? in the same way Margaret Thatcher back in the 80's did.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 13:44

Hasan Has from Girne comments:

To much garbage ....

FRANCE and GERMANY will NEVER allow Turkey in. They want to retain control of the EU.

ENGLAND can do nothing about it. But they are good in foreign affairs. They play a good role in appearing they are Turkeys friends, hence get Turkish businesses and influence Turkish foreign policy in the mid-east, not to forget G20, Nato decisions.

RoC of South CYPRUS has NO CONTROL on Turkeys accession. However GCs can shout VETO as long as Germans and French allow them to.

Knowing Turkey will NEVER get accession to EU, GC's has no chance of one sided compromises from Turkish side. I am sure they are aware of this by now and are starting to get worried of their strategy of "always opposing Turkish proposals".

So it ONLY AMUSES me to see parrots repeating "Turkey must open it's ports if it wants to get EU" ...

GOD BLESS ORTHODOX CHURCH LEADERS ...

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 13:37

Attila comments:

Thanks Dave - I hope you feel better now.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 13:34

DAVE THE IMPALER comments:

Selim II (who ruled from 1566 to 1574), known also as “Selim the Sot”, a notorious drunkard, sent an army to capture Cyprus as the stocks of his favourite Cyprus wine needed replenishing. He got his wine, but only after massacring 30,000 Christians in Nicosia and Famagusta . The west’s reaction to the invasion of Cyprus was unprecedented. A massive and well-appointed fleet was formed under the command of Don Juan of Austria, a bastard son of Charles V. He sighted the Ottoman fleet off Lepanto (Navpaktos) on the Gulf of Patra , in western Greece . In the ensuing carnage, up to 200 of the Turkish ships were sunk or captured, The largest number of sinking in any sea battle. The naval museum in Madrid has a splendid gallery devoted to the victory of Lepanto.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 13:21

Loriot from Lapta comments:

Student: please go back to your history studies. Cyprus became part of the Ottoman Empire in 1571 and not in the 18th century. The island remained under Turkish sovereignty for more than 300 years, longer than under any other rule in this millenium.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 13:19

Attila comments:

Dear Student,

Your facts prove how wrong you are: The dark days went on until 1974 for us. Or did'nt you know that.

I'm not denying any wrong doing went on both sides.....but who started it all? that was a rehtorical question. No apology and nobody stood trial.

The ottoman empire conquered Cyprus in the 16th Century - where do you get 18th Century from. And for the record the British were paying the Ottomans rent for the Island - similar to Hong Kong arrangement.

Ottomans did you a favour too and were welcomed by many as saviours - for it was your ventian Catholic brothers who dis-established your church and created Surfdom. You had to ask your masters permission to carry out many aspects of life. We ended all that for you. Your welcome.

Turks are not so hung-up about Greeks and we can move on - Greek physcie, ego and chip on the shoulder don't make the prospect of forgivness likely though. Sorry.

More studying for you I think.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 13:10

John from Nicosia , Cyprus comments:

Atilla ---Turkey intervened using it's legal right; the Greek Army invaded Cyprus before Turkey intervened; Both mother lands tried to gain Cyprus as their own,Turkey was the strongest and won the battle...

Turkey found the pretext to impose its partitionist plans against Cyprus following the coup of July 15, 1974, perpetrated against the elected government of President Makarios by the Athens military junta. On July 20, claiming to act under article 4 of the Treaty of Guarantee, the Turkish armed forces staged a full scale invasion against Cyprus. Though the invasion was in violation of all rules of international legality, including the UN Charter, Turkey proceeded to occupy the northern part of the island and empty it from its Greek inhabitants.

Atilla :---two wrongs dont make a right...in this case hundreds of wrongs dont make a right!If Turkey wanted REAL peace she would have occupied the island and must be a peace keeping force here and not a divider of people!Had she come to JUST keep the peace between the peoples of Cyprus she would be FAR better of today!Especially the TCs!!

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 13:02

Student comments:

Dear Attila,

Yes 1960-1963 was a dark period from SOME stupid extremists.. My grandparents were not involved and were working along TC! However do not pretend that GCs are the only ones to blame. Yes 1974 occupation followed a coup but acknowledge the history before that.

Cyprus was occupied by Turkey in the 18th century and only "gave" Cyprus to UK in 1878 in exchange for their support in the Berlin Congress.

Both GC and TC need to forgive otherwise they are just ruining their country..

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 13:01

chris varnava from england comments:

our leaders on both sides are preparing the final conclusion,there job from the bigining is step by step to accept what is going to come.its so simple let the people return to there rightful property and come to an agreement on governance.but then again it was taken by war an invasion so therefore in a war there are winners and losers.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 12:44

Attila comments:

Dear Student, if you are as experienced as your name suggests it is you who should check the facts.

RoC evicted the Turkish Cypriots from all forms of Governments by force. How many Turkish Cypriot MEP's are there?

Greek Cypriots did their very best to rid the island of Turks - by force, murder and with money to leave. Touch luck now.

There is a myth among Greeks we have been over-run with mainlanders. Sure there are many here but they are not all citizens. During the Annan plan negotiations Talat handed a list of less than 50,000 Turks who are now TRNC citizens - these people have lived here many years, married and have kids etc. This number did not even reach the quota as stated in the Annan plan.

The rest are guest workers. Cypriots don't tend to want to do manual labour jobs etc. Our economy depends on them.

You are in no position now to dictate anything to us, much to your displeasure.

Anyway, RoC does not see fit to ask the Turkish Cypriots about the Pontians, Russians, etc who are also changing the demographics on the Island.

And just for the record, our leaders put no restrictions on us applying for whatever passport we want. Please, you are welcome to the real world. Stop listening to your politicians and religious leaders - it's not healthy for you.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 12:42

Loriot from Lapta comments:

Zak, you are ill informed of people movements within the EU. Most new members have a restriction for some years until their standard of living is nearing the EU level and emigration becomes less desirable.
This is borne out by the fact that the percentage of EU nationals living in another EU country is currently 2-3 percent.
Whatever Cameron or any other politician says today is irrelevant because the point where an actual decision for Turkey is to be made is years away, long after the shelf life or contemporary politicians.
When this eventually happens there will be no unresolved Cyprus problem, because by then there will have been final division.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 12:42

Tony from FreeCyprus comments:

"And pigs will fly"
Simply luv the way new leaders play the old, same dated game
and rise the hope of the many...
This is from a bloke(cameron) that could not win an election when he had full finacial surport, a very umpopular goverment due to the fact the media and press were 85% in his favour and he still needed the help from, 'today I am blue tommorrow I am red', Lib Dems!
The turk guy was elected through the growing islamic right of turkey, openly does or can not surport entry to EU but holds cheep goods and labour as an ace card.
What happened to Politicians with balls, today they look and sound like local pub comedians!

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 12:31

Student comments:

Dear Attila please get your facts right: the republic recognises the Turkish cypriots but ONLY the ones registered before the occupation/ Ofcourse it also recognises ALL of their descendants. All of these Tuskish Cypriots are eligible to republic of cyprus passports, whether they are allowed by their leaders or not is a different matter. Remember articles like this:
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/passport-crackdown-north-opens-way-uk-...

What it does not recognise is the thousands of Turks brought after 1974 to fill the occupied and nearly empty North..

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 12:30

MELIOS A. IOANNIDES comments:

Cameron fighting for an utopia it makes him an utopos meaning out of time and place.
Britain and Turkey though,share a similar imperial past which makes the two more understanding on world affairs especially on matters of domination which comes to no surprise to us the Cypriots,victims of both imperialists.
Cyprus even cut into two,must be proud that is still on its feet inspite of all odds and as Cameron pointed out to its friends,Turkey's accession goes through the solution of our problem.
Greeks favour EU's ambitions of Turkey because it is to our interest to have a European neighbour rather than a "Turk"of the Ottoman era but definitely no concessions to that effect as Cameron may have implied.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 12:12

Zak from UK comments:

Cogito is definitely not a Norwegian!!
Norwegians have more sense!
Could he be one of those Turkey birds pretending he is a European I wonder?

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 12:08

Attila comments:

Dear Albert Perahia from St Albans, you convenienty choose to forget the facts....

1. How can Turkey recognise a republic that does not recognise all of it's citizens, namely the Turkish Cypriots. Are you familiar with the Consitution of Cyprus?

2. Turkey intervened using it's legal right; the Greek Army invaded Cyprus before Turkey intervened; as was decalred by the Archbishop Makarios - when will they go home?

Mr Cameron is looking after Britains interests first - Greece and Cyprus have nothing to offer in comparison to Turkey. Turkey will not enter the EU anyway, and its a good thing too.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 11:40

James JH lockhart comments:

Well Done Dave,

I hope you also take into Account The Vast number of MPs & MEPs who have been Submitting Cases to You and the EU, On the Dreadful Treatment Of British People in Cuprus on Property and other matters, Which the Cypriot Authorities Are ignoring.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 11:39

Cogito from Norway comments:

1) Turkey is struggeling to get into EU but they get resistance from France, Germany and others. Im asking myself why they absolutely want to be in the EU, they would be better off outside.

2) Cyprus seems to be negotiating "forever". It all seem to be because Greek people want properties they lost one generation ago. Has the time come to realize that there has been a divided island for a generation, and that the best solution to the problem would be two fully independent states? They can continue to disagree about private properties as much as they like also after that..

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 11:12

Agnostic from Agnostic Front comments:

David Cameron can call all he want, no one is going to answer the phone either way...

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 10:55

Chris from Larnaca / Manchester comments:

Davey boy,

I am rather disappointed with your recent comments.

I am one of your supporters too which makes it even more disappointing to hear that you have barely acknowledged Cyprus!

You must do better Mr 'Prime Minister'!!

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 10:49

trixi from girne comments:

Well, done cameron , you need the money and work in the Uk so I am sure you will bypass request s from half an island which is quite unimportant financially.
Keep up the good work.

Wed, July 28th 2010 at 10:43

Albert Perahia from St Albans, UK comments:

Cameron's 'anger' that the EU was dragging its heels in accepting Turkey's membership application, expressed at yesterday's news conference in Ankara, shows a sad lack of awareness that:
(a) Turkey does not 'recognise' Cyprus, an existing EU Members, and forbids overflight of Cypriot airplanes and the use by Cypriot ships of her ports, contrary to fundamental EU conditions for Membership,

(b) Turkey remains in illegal occupation of one third of Cyprus after 36 years since invading it, despite contless UN and EU resolutions that this occupation must be terminated
(c) Turkey has yet to satisfy the EU that it is now conforming with all conditions for membership.

I know that Cameron's coalition government is in the process of making draconian cuts to expenditure in its Civil Service Departments, but I would have thought that enough of the Foreign Office still exists to have briefed him on the exact situation regarding ALL the good reasons why Turkey's application to join the EU is still getting nowhere.

Not good enough, Mr Cameron!