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CyprusCYPRUS AIRWAYS (CY) yesterday called for the government to pay the company millions of euros in loss of earnings due to the island's long-running differences with Turkey, as revenues continued to tumble.
CY chairman Kikis Lazarides said the airline was seeking financial compensation for being unable to fly over Turkey.
"Turkish planes won't let us approach their ports, their airports or airspace ... This is costing us three million euros a year," Lazarides said.
The airline, which is majority state-controlled, posted a net loss of €3.28 million in 2009, with operations hit by a fall in passenger and cargo traffic.
In 2008, Cyprus Airways posted a €1.74 million net profit. The net loss for 2009 was still a preliminary figure, the company said.
In a stock exchange filing yesterday, CY said revenue fell 20 per cent last year on the back of a decline in passenger numbers and fare yields, and a fall in cargo business.
The airline's operational costs were 16.7 per cent lower, pulled down by a steep decline in the cost of fuel.
CY said it could not give guidance for 2010 because of uncertainty surrounding the duration of the global economic downturn and the effect it would have on the aviation industry.
But the group said it had adequate liquidity to cover any unforeseen commitments, without the need to resort to short-term banking facilities.
"We believe the government has an obligation to compensate us. The government, if it so wishes, can get it through the European Union," Lazarides said.
Lazarides said the loss incurred by the company “was an achievement” under the current global circumstances. He said there had been a vertical drop in passengers and cargo, resulting in a lost in income of €68 million.
The company was struggling to survive, he said, and at the same time trying to modernise by enhancing competitiveness and offering better services.
He said CY would be increasing its flights to Brussels, Beirut, Tel Aviv, Dublin, Moscow and Kiev, as well as its chartered flights to destinations such as Barcelona, Madrid, Prague, Venice, Rome, Sharm el Sheikh, and various destinations in Greece and its islands.
Lazarides also mentioned the renewal of the company's fleet, which would reduce costs and minimise delays.
He said that Cyprus Airways has already received an Airbus 319 and two Airbuses 320, and was scheduled to receive three more over the next year, adding that the company was trying to find buyers for four Airbuses 320, due to their high maintenance and running costs.
Lazarides said the company was also upgrading its catering service, executive lounge, tele-service and website.
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A.C. Vikis from Ottawa, Canada comments:
It seems to me that Mr. Lazarides has found a poor excuse to ask for government welfare!
Yiannis from Limassol comments:
Dear "concerned",
You mention that "I am not a TC, GC, but simply someone who would like to see people live their lives without old, scheming politicians continually exploiting the people who deserve better."
and that's exactly why you are unable to understand the issues involved.
First of all, there is no GC and TC, there is the Republic of Cyprus (internationally recognised country and member of the EU) and the occupied part of Cyprus, which is a self declared democracy who is not recognised by anyone but Turkey.
If you get into the island from the occupied side, you have then entered from an illegal point of entry (EU rules apply) and you cannot enter the Republic from there.
I would suggest that you read a bit of history to fully understand the situation before making petty and childish comments.
Jose De Souza comments:
Cyprus Airways' problems don't only stem from political issues with Turkey. It appears to be an airline that isn't very adventurous and its management is not willing to diversify and take risks. While other airlines are adapting to a fast changing global market, CY seems stuck in the 1980s.
So while other airlines, such as Emirates, make merry and transport planeloads of expat Cypriots and tourists to the Middle East, Asia, Australia and South Africa, CY is asking for government handouts. What's more is that it operates a handful of routes and isn't making the best use of its fleet.
And of course, it would have trouble finding buyers for secondhand Airbus aircraft, which don't offer as much resale value as Boeing airplanes.
What CY needs is a professional management not government handouts.
Jose De Souza comments:
Cyprus Airways' problems don't only stem from political issues with Turkey. It appears to be an airline that isn't very adventurous and its management is not willing to diversify and take risks. While other airlines are adapting to a fast changing global market, CY seems stuck in the 1980s.
So while other airlines, such as Emirates, make merry and transport planeloads of expat Cypriots and tourists to the Middle East, Asia, Australia and South Africa, CY is asking for government handouts. What's more is that it operates a handful of routes and isn't making the best use of its fleet.
And of course, it would have trouble finding buyers for secondhand Airbus aircraft, which don't offer as much resale value as Boeing airplanes.
What CY needs is a professional management not government handouts.
Jose De Souza comments:
Cyprus Airways' problems don't only stem from political issues with Turkey. It appears to be an airline that isn't very adventurous and its management is not willing to diversify and take risks. While other airlines are adapting to a fast changing global market, CY seems stuck in the 1980s.
So while other airlines, such as Emirates, make merry and transport planeloads of expat Cypriots and tourists to the Middle East, Asia, Australia and South Africa, CY is asking for government handouts. What's more is that it operates a handful of routes and isn't making the best use of its fleet.
And of course, it would have trouble finding buyers for secondhand Airbus aircraft, which don't offer as much resale value as Boeing airplanes.
What CY needs is a professional management not government handouts.
Jose De Souza comments:
Cyprus Airways' problems don't only stem from political issues with Turkey. It appears to be an airline that isn't very adventurous and its management is not willing to diversify and take risks. While other airlines are adapting to a fast changing global market, CY seems stuck in the 1980s.
So while other airlines, such as Emirates, make merry and transport planeloads of expat Cypriots and tourists to the Middle East, Asia, Australia and South Africa, CY is asking for government handouts. What's more is that it operates a handful of routes and isn't making the best use of its fleet.
And of course, it would have trouble finding buyers for secondhand Airbus aircraft, which don't offer as much resale value as Boeing airplanes.
What CY needs is a professional management not government handouts.
concerned comments:
Guys, ever looked at Port Handling charges in GC v TC?
Ever tried to enter the Island of Cyprus from Europe via TC and only been told you can't leave fron GC?
Cyprus per se is seen by visitors as petty and childish after all these years.
It really is time to cease this blame culture and work for the common good, the people of Cyprus and the EU zone.
PS: I am not a TC, GC, but simply someone who would like to see people live their lives without old, scheming politicians continually exploiting the people who deserve better.
George from Limassol comments:
By the way, I fully agree with all of you saying that EU should immediately force Turkey to open their airspace and ports for Cypriot aircraft and ships.
It is unbelievable that this country are supposed to enter EU in the future and they fail to enforce one of the EUs basix principle - free movement.
George from Limassol comments:
It is interesting to see the view on CY of one of ex Presidents of ROC.
Amongst others he said that "CY is vital for Cyprus in maintaining connections at hard times when other airlines don't". And to be fair, he is right. In 1974, CY were the first airline to re-connect Cyprus with the outside world giving a push to the collapsed economy and re-establishing back the trust for ROC.
Even today, CY fly to Brussels just for the sake of servicing ROCs EU needs. If the airline was operating as a private commercial airline (i.e. no 70% held by the state)this route would have never existed.
What I am trying to say is that, though it is easy for people and especially politicians to critisize CY for various issues, most of us fail to undestand their importance in Cypriot economy and the reliance of ROC on them when others turn their back.
Charis Kosmides from Piraeus, Greece comments:
Yes I agree with James and the others here.
Why the Belgian nobody who is the EU President not earnt his crust as far as Cyprus is concerned and bothered to ask President Gul to at least allow CY to fly over Turkey. The man can't communicate without Barrosso helping him for C...'s sake!
Hellas in turn, ought to, if she doeas not permit already, the Turkish subsidised Turkish Cypriot Airline to fly over Athens FIR - ie Hellas and her Aegian islands, that is if she don't allow this already.
Don't know what Hellas is doing about Turkish Cypriot Airline flying over her territory. Anyone here know?
Turkey signed the Ankara Protocols, surely she doesn't want to be shown up to the whole world to be a liar again.
I am amazed that the Hellenic Cypriot Government haven't grasped this gift and pressed this issue allot harder than they have done internationally. GC Diplomacy has been caught napping again while Erdoan is going around pulling PR stunts, like the one with the reportes in Instanbul for the inernational audience. Thus making Turkey look like the peacemaker while she continues only to say the right words while taking no action whatsover to defuse the problem on the island (ie withdraw from Varosha, soldiers to Turkey, pronounce Turkey agrees in Priciple to withdraw settlers with no legal grounds to Reside on the island, no intention to permanently change the demographics on the island, etc). Words are cheap - time GC Diplomacy cranked up Mr Christophias - what has your innefectula Foreign Minister doing? Not heard a thing about CY from GC Gvmt. Only this news item from airline itself. Europe President, Mr nobody EU so called pseudo President, and EU foreign office diplomats. go after the culprit causing additional pollution in Europe and the Planet.
GC Ministers decide and direct on this issue. GC Diplomats for a change, stop being concerned with your expenses and remunerations, etc. and for a change, crank up this PR gift and earn your pay. Lets see your press statements to media throughout Europe and ask EU Commission to take action on this issue. At least embarass the Turks and show them up for who they really are - not peacemakers, yet, more warmongers!!!
James JH lockhart comments:
George,
The logic of your Argument is Clear on certain routes that cover turkish Air space Cyprus Airlines have to Fly around, While other EU Airlines fly Direct.
Then Turkey is At fault, and the EU should Inform Turkey to Stop As per the Agreements Given by turkey in there Application to join the EU.
But I do not think the EU should Subsidise Cyprus Airlines Because this would then mean all the other routes that Cyprus Airlines Fly they will have benifits not given to others.
So A straight forward EU president telling Turkish president Fix it.
George you fight your Corner well
George from Limassol comments:
John from Cyprus,
I do understand your comment about the reducing passenger numbers and that CY need to look to the reasons behind it but I am going to repeat a paragraph from one of my earlier posts to try and demonstrate what CY mean by mentioning the need of some sort of compensation.
Forget about any other operational costs that eventually make up the ticket price (i.e. personnel, a/c lease fees, airport fees etc).
Just concentrate on fuel. If CY and say EZY fly a certain route to the UK, CY DO have to use MORE fuel for exactly the same route just because they need to go round Turkey.
Now, if, for the sake of this discussion, we assume that all other costs are exactly the same between the two airlines, the ticket price of CY will have to be higher due to the additional fuel cost for the two airlines to make the same profit.
And for certain routes (like Moscow) the difference in time between Aeroflot going over Turkey and CY, is almost 1 hour per sector. This automatically means that on top of the additional fuel, staff will need to be paid for additional 2 hours and the a/c performing the route will spend 2 additional hours flying reducing the chances of re-utilization on another route on the same day.
Things are not as simple as they may look in the first place and though CY may improve their costs in many other areas (and hence reduce ticket prices) this issue will be there hindering any further improvement.
john from cyprus comments:
Though understandable to try and get money wherever it can, why is this compensation claimed now, in the good times a few years ago surely the same problem of airspace existed. CY airways should look at why its numbers have dropped, could it be the cost of a ticket, even without the added surcharge on top of the final price. All airlines have struggled, most have re-structured to differing degrees, some have gone bust, maybe that should have happened to CY airways a few years ago. Times are hard many passengers what a simple cheap seat, no baggage, no frills. sterling is dead and not likely to come back which makes travel expensive for British residents, love or hate them. I recently costed a seat for my son, 316E (287) Cy airways, another airline 167E (151)guess who got my money!. Maybe all airlines should sue the french or the Greeks when air traffic go on strike costing airlines thousands a day. Its not airspace you lack its paying customers!!
john from cyprus comments:
Though understandable to try and get money wherever it can, why is this compensation claimed now, in the good times a few years ago surely the same problem of airspace existed. CY airways should look at why its numbers have dropped, could it be the cost of a ticket, even without the added surcharge on top of the final price. All airlines have struggled, most have re-structured to differing degrees, some have gone bust, maybe that should have happened to CY airways a few years ago. Times are hard many passengers what a simple cheap seat, no baggage, no frills. sterling is dead and not likely to come back which makes travel expensive for British residents, love or hate them. I recently costed a seat for my son, 316E (287) Cy airways, another airline 167E (151)guess who got my money!. Maybe all airlines should sue the french or the Greeks when air traffic go on strike costing airlines thousands a day. Its not airspace you lack its paying customers!!
The Captain from From Far Away comments:
Very good Charis from Pireus. And Ben how right you are as well.
All this hatred, brainwashings and distortions lead to no where.
By the way my friendly discussion with Praxandros (airspace etc.) promted me to do some serious research.
First I have always been wondering that if Ercan Control and aviation in the northern part of Cyprus really were so illegal as some claim, how would they are able to operate at all?
How come there are no stringent international restrictions on them such as were imposed on Libyan or Iraq. or even Iran today.
I found out most interesting facts.
The area called Ercan Advisory Airspace plus Ercan Air Traffic Control is acknowledged by ICAO the International Civil Aviation Authority but not recognized. It has never been declared as illegal by ICAO or any other international body. Now there is a difference between being illegal and not being recognized.
The only ones who declared it illegal are the RoC.
And they (ICAO, Eurocontrol etc.) are in regular informal contact with the folks in the North.
ECN ATC is practially a service provider and according ICAO there is no objection to talking to them, as hundreds of flights per week do anyway.
Another remark regarding payments to CY. Surely they will survive.
There have been many worse cases before. For example during the Apartheid years South African Airways was not allowed to fly across Africa. They had to fly 'the Bulge' around Africa over the Atlantic Ocean. Flights from Europe had to route via Madrid, Lisbon or the Azores adding hours to flight times to South Africa.
But that is history now including all the other events deemed impossible to change. Such as the fall of the Berlin Wall....
But the Nicosia Wall is still standing... This is not normal.
George from Limassol comments:
James,
Intersting view, I wouldn't disagree. The only problem is that talks betwen CTO and Ryanair have collapsed as the latter demanded very high subsidies in order to fly to Cyprus from Dublin and Bolonia (this is reported in a Cypriot newspaper Politis on 03/03/2010).
CY have been called "to the rescue" and are entering urgent talks with the Irish tourist operators so that flights to DUB can be launched by CY before summer.
Now, the dilemma is if Authorities should offer higher subsidies to Ryanair so they could be persuaded to fly here but in the logic followed by other people on this forum, this would be the same as offering the airline tax payer's money.
James JH lockhart comments:
George,
Highlights the problems on All things, But if Cyprus Airlines are refused Entry into Airspace they allow other Eu Airlines to fly into Then the Eu must be straight to Turkey Stop and remove Air Space restrictions The Same with Cypriot Flagged Ships they Should have the same rights as the other eu nations in turkish Waters.
But as to price Fixing, This is a Area Where The Authorities can Move smashing cartels Ie what to Stop them offering a Airline like Ryanair Big Tax break ie no landing fees for two years if they make the maxium ticket UK-Cyprus 150 Euros return minium 3 flights a Week, bet You would have Every other Airline suddenly finding they can reduce prices !!! Any budget Airline they can offer this to
George from Limassol comments:
James, although I am not an expert on air ticket pricing, but my opinion (coming from many years travelling to the UK and back at least 4-5 times a year) is that low cost airlines in Cyprus keep offerred capacity at such levels so that they can raise their prices just below of the prices of traditional carriers like CY and BA (though sometimes they are even more expensive than BA and CY).
It would appear that low cost carriers found a way to make even more money on the Cyprus routes where the offerred capacity is not as high as in central Europe where competition is fierce and there are high speed trains as well.
I would not say that there is "price fixing" going on but definitely there is a "price matching" game going on and unfortunately this is fully legal.
As far as the additional fuel required by CY is concerned, I am also not an expert to decide what can be done but I fully support the idea that the EU will need to exert political pressure to Turkey and solve this problem as soon as possible. Cyprus depends on air travel and such issues hinder it.
James JH lockhart comments:
george,
Thankyou this makes more Sense, Also from my own maritime Work in the oil industry know the frustration with the flagging of cypriot Ships,
but it does not mean the Eu Should pay.
But the Ryanair prices Just Show how a Airline can produce low cost travel and Still make profit. Now the new annoucement by Easy Jet of increasing Flights to paphos Sounded very good, but the Stark reality When people checked the prices they Were terrible 500/600 Euros,
Really Somebody needs to get a grip, and make the Circle, low cost flights produce more travel ie More people Who Spend it in Cyprus, ie Cypriots flying home to Visit families, More tourists who Spend. But they Are not going to do this While the Set-Up just Now is High price fares, High prices in Cyprus.
George from Limassol comments:
James, the idea behind the subsidy is that if you compare ONLY the fuel costs, CY have to pay more just because they need to fly around Turkey and not above it (other ailines do fly above Turkey).
Forget about any other operational costs that eventually make up the ticket price.
Just compare fuel. If CY and say EZY fly a certain route to the UK, CY DO have to use MORE fuel for exactly the same route and this is why they are trying to get a subsidy.
With regard to the comparison with Ryanair, you are comparing two different things because you failed to understand the above logic.
James JH lockhart comments:
A simple fact RYANAIR flies Daily to Malta from Airports all Over the UK And italy Most prices RETURN range from 39 euros to 99 euros return.
there a fixed taxi tarrif on Airport taxi journeys enforced by the Airport.
So How can Cyprus Airlines justify it wants Either the ROC or Eu to pay them taxpayers money ??? Do all the other Airlines who fly into cyprus get the Same.
now Easy jet paphos return flights they are wanting 500 euros plus return. !!!!
ask yourself Would it not be better for Cyprus Airlines and others becomming more competive, or Will people decide that places like malta are far better laces to fly to, Which allows you to Spend more in Malta.
James JH lockhart comments:
George,
you now Want EU Tax payers to pay for Cyprus Airlines,??? would it not be Best if the Cyprus inland revenue Concentrate on TAX RECOVERY. Especially concentrating on Property developers, lawyers and banks, the Worst offenders Who have Skimmed billions of revenue.
This Way cyprus can then invest in Infrastructure, lower tax rates Allowing more people to fly Then cyprus Airlines With the bigger revenue Will have all the money to buy new planes, Increase Staff Wages, so much,
But Dont Expect EU Taxpayers to Subsidize Airlines
Geoff from Nicosia comments:
Good oh George...who will pay the subsidy? Oh, that's right, the Cyprus taxpayers so, Geogre, I hope you are willing to open your wallet wide for the tax commissioner to help himself. As for me, I'd rather see that moribund organisation go broke. C'est la vie.
George from Limassol comments:
FACT - Cyprus Registered aircraft cannot fly over turkey.
FACT - ALL CY flights to Europe and Russia have to go around Turkey and this adds to their cost due to the additional fuel required.
FACT - LCA-Moscow is 3h 50m on Aeroflot - 4h 40m on CY
FACT - CY did not say that the ban is the ONLY reason for 2009 loss.
FACT - CY said that the ban contributes significantly to the loss and that it is a big negative on the cashflow of every single year even the cashflows of the years when the company was profitable.
CY are neither suing not taking anyone to court. CY are asking the EU for a subsidy so that the additional costs due to the ban are recovered.
Charis Kosmides from Piraeus, Greece comments:
Agree Ben.
Possible solution: CY asks RoC Government for subsidy to be permitted and given under European Law via-a-vis other airlines to level of additinal cost due to political situation. RoC then would apply to EU.
This, of course, would need to be strictly audited by independent Auditors paid for by EU or RoC Government, not by the airline. They would have to agree the sums involved. Turkey would have to be invited to be represented by Auditors too.
Then EU Council can make a decision, whether or not, it will seek redress from Turkey through the Courts for her breach of the Ankara Protocols, though, I suspect that UK and Germany would not be in favour at this time of pushing this issue to such an extent. If Turkey continues to refuse passage, this may change. Greece on her part, I imagine, would be in favour of doing nothing that would negatively impact the talks in Cyprus - However, it would probably agree with RoC Government to hold the additional cost in reserve in case Turkey reneges on negotiations and goes back to Denktas era policies.
Better solve CY problem politically for the future along the lines I suggested below, as the problem is political, not economic (tort). Of course, GC flagged shipping companies and other economic groups could follow CY with similar claims, provided they can prove additional costs or losses due to political decision in Turkey to break her word on Ankara Protocols. For you Turks arguing in defence of RoTurkey, no one forced Turkey to sign the Protocal she is breaking by denying Ports and Airspace
ben dover from swift and bold comments:
Bravo Charis !
A sensible and concise view of the problem And a refreshing addition - a possible solution instead of all the usual knuckleheaded hatred and abuse that has marred this comments section.
Trouble is these people are so busy looking backwards they dont care about a future and the legacy they will leave their children.
And its usually someone elses fault.
Expect a letter saying how bad Richard the Lionheart was anytime soon..
Now wasnt this thread about CY and compensation??
Charis Kosmides from Piraeus, Greece comments:
We have been following from Greece, the arguments here with interest.
No right of self-determination and seccession for the 18% Turkish Cyprios minority under force of 2nd largest Army in NATO.
It is time however, for the Greek Cypriot Government to relent and help Messrs Erdoan and Talat deliver common sence to Cyprus problem.
This will come if Mr Eroan survives the Deep State in Turkey, which he shows every sign of prevailing. Because of the impending changes in Turkey they need our help to take right course to becoming a state based on the rule of law and advanced democracy which are championed by Mr. Erdoan. This should lead to changes to Turkish intransigence in the negotiations, which must be on their way, and show respect to the Turkish Cypriots in connection with their trade and communications. The RoC must to propose counter proposals to the ones Mr. Talat presented in January. The Turkish leadership, in particular Messrs Ergoan and Gul, have said they will do vice versa and implement the customs union with Turkey when Greek Cyprus RoC agrees to trade for Turkish Cypriot business persons though the Turkish Army occupied ports. This you should do because Better everyone to be friendly than continue to act as enemies, provided negotiations continue on basis of 1977 and 1979 agreements and UN Resolutions . We Greeks of Greece urge both sides on the island to reconcile, and say, Mr. Bagis is right, all four states have the right leaders to do a very f deal air deal, between us - about time too.
Varosha should be liberated peacefully immediately, and handed to its Owners, under the understanding there will be immediate lifting of the embargoes. Ercan can then open direct flights. CY can then fly over Asia Minor, and this stupidity in Europe, the Cyprus hatreds should end now.......
The negotiations on the island will make progress. As everyone knows, The Republic of Cyprus will have two constituent states, one Turkish one, smaller than today's TRNC and the rest of Cyprus....Otherwise, should the natioalists win in Turkish Cyprus, current situation will continue. Hellenism will never abandon the North of Cyprus - and Turkish society and civilization should have a similar hold in the South of Cypus
We are really all brothers, Turks and Greeks, coming through Byzantine and Ottoman experience and epochs, sharing many things, culturally. Greeks should note half our monuments & history, if not more than half, are located within Turkey's borders today - why not about half our genus left behind in Asia Minor???
It is now time for Hellenic side to show goodwill on the issues of direct trade and travel, provided there is a token and well publicized withdrawal of part of the Turkish Army and a change inthe title of the TRNC to include the name Federal to signal the Turkish seriousness in entering an equal partnership sharing Cyprus and European law to eventually apply also to the North after a respectable delay.
The Turksih Cypriots should start calling themselves Federal Republic in their state title, and, Nicosia, in my view, should allow Trade and Travel directly from Northern Cyprus Ports - and then we'll see if the Turkish Cypriots are serious about reconciling with Greek Cyrpiots and joining us, Greece, Turkey and RoC in a giant free trade area where we can all benefit. Hopefully, common sence will prevail.
And don't worry about us ruining the Euro, Germans, French and Greek Cypriots, once we start paying taxes to the Greek Government once again, we'll fund our budget deficit ourselves, with no need for help from anyone - and unlike Britain in 1976 and Turkey in 2001 we won't need to borrow from the IMF. It is GB Pound that is falling these days, not as much fall as that in the Euro against the US Dollar.
Mike from Australia comments:
Emir Soler – You are right, the Greek General did say “Damn you Georghios”. Without a doubt, under the circumstances you too would have said the same thing and more. I wish you would tell the full story. The then British Prime Minister Lloyd George and his treacherous government urged the Greek government to pursue the Turkish forces in Asia Minor.
As usual the British made a lot of promises that they had no intention of keeping. The foolish Greek campaign was launched because the western Allies, particularly British Prime Minister David Lloyd George, had promised Greece territorial gains and military support.
Quite rightly the Greeks blamed the others for their misfortunes. Whilst the British favoured a Greek territorial expansion they refused to offer any military assistance in order to avoid provoking the French. Maybe the Greek General should have said “Damn Britain and France and all of their poxy friends”.
In the meantime the Turkish forces received significant assistance from the newly formed Soviet Union. I too say “Damn you Georghios”.
smirnese from izmir comments:
i've been reading the comments for about half an hour or so and it's really hard to believe that was all about an airline company trying to get money for its loss of money since it cannot fly over a country.
greeks and turks like arguing. that's a scientific fact or a law of nature for sure but the rumour has it that most comments here aren't on the airline company topic. now, should i sue someone for my loss of time reading these un-related comments?
anyway, i hope you guys can find a way to unite cyprus and put an end to your racist thoughts.
Christoph from USA comments:
'Greeks always blame other.'
And Turks always deny their responsibility.
Dave comments:
Emir
It is because they are Levantines
Emir Soler from TRNC comments:
Greeks always blame other.
'
1923. When the Greek General Papoulias' Army was forced back from the outskirts of Ankara Turkey-after suffering over 10 000 casualties-
he said 'Damn you Georghios', meaning Lloyd George, the then British Prime Minister.
Why some Greeks always blame others for their misdeeds and self inflicted misfortunes?
MERAL from UK comments:
Whatever next on the compensation agenda from Cyprus - I thinks it's about time you grew up and took responsibility for your own actions rather stamp your feet and throw another tantrum!!
Dave comments:
Christoph
How much money did yankees make trading with nazis before 1941,they didn't declare war on hitler,only on japan.Hitler declared war on them.
Kennedy and Bus(c)h families big profiteers from war.
Who would want to fly with CY.Rude staff with attitude.Just like rest of cyprus.
Fevzi from London & Kyrenia comments:
GET REAL! from Nicosia:-
You Greeks make me laugh. That Fevzi is not me, stupid! Do you think there's only one Fevzi or one Costa or Hristo.
I graduated from The English School, Nicosia, in 1958 and in fact turned 70 last month. I have previously contributed to the 'Letters to the Editor' section of the CM about the English School in my real name. When EOKA started their activities I was 15. I've seen it all.
I always contribute comments in my real name and never write untruths, my sources are responsible journals like The Times, The Guardian and The Daily Telegraph or the BBC.
WHY ARE YOU HIDING BEHIND THAT STUPID 'GET REAL!'
ozcanhan comments:
How ridiculous!! Ban on flights over Turkey and through Turkish air space led to lossess. They are in the red,now.
Why was it possible to have profits that run into millions , only a couple of years, ago. Was the ban not in force during those years due to the unresolved Cyprus problem? Yet, the CY showed profits and planned new invetments. I cannot help it but caall CY arguments jargon and demagogy.
Ozcanhan
The Captain from From Far Away comments:
One more thing Praxandros. Go to following:
http:/www.jeppesen.com/download/briefbull//bulletinjep_06_01.pdf
Hope this helps you to understand the situation in your airspace.
The authority of the RoC in this bulletin is clear and as far as I know everyone is complying, so why are you so excited?
The Captain from From Far Away comments:
Praxandros old Chap,
I think I'd rather not waste my time reading your extreme comments.
Just to let you know. ICAO and all concerned know what is going on.
Once again the discussion here is not about legality or politics.
Pitty you do not seem to understand that.
Get Real! from Nicosia comments:
Fevzi from London: “I lived thro' the '50s, I saw what happened”
That’s right Pepsi… you don’t look a day older than 70! :)
http://www.embargoed.org/press_releases.php?id=156
Idiot!
Fevzi from London & Kyrenia comments:
DEAR CAPTAIN FROM FAR AWAY:-
You seem to know the Cyprus problem well. Look how fanatic this Praxandros is - the GCs are recognised as representing the whole island, how preposterous that is, they have the FIR, strangle the TCs, they are illegal, report them to the authorities, etc.
Mustn't the TCs fly, musn't they have a window to Europe, to the world? According to the GCs, the answer is NO!
But, tough for them, we DO exist, we DO have our own airport and we DO have our own Air Traffic Controllers. Apparently, CY pilots tell their passengers on approaching the island that 'it took them half an hour longer due to Turkey's intransigence in not allowing them to use of their airspace'. Well, as you previously said, they would be able to use Turkish airspace and seaports for their ships if TC isolation is ended. After all, it is our human right to have direct contact and direct trade with the outside world.
As you say, it is possible to live together in peace and friendship provided the parties really want to. The TCs want to. The GCs don't have an incentive to share the government with the TCs, the opposition parties, the Church and nationalists are against it. The international community is also at fault for taking the GCs into the EU without a solution.
As you say, the Turkish Cypriots have been particularly unlucky. I lived thro' the '50s, I saw what happened.
However, one consolation for us, we have Turkey for our protection and survival. We don't have debts as we can't borrow from the outside world, and our monthly deficit is made up by Turkey.
We shall survive.
Thank you for your comments, Sir.
Praxandros comments:
"Captain from From Far Away," instead of wasting your time trying to tell us why we should bend the laws so as to compromise to the capricious attitude and silly games of an illegal entity, why do you, your company or your home country send a letter of complain to the competent international aviation authority, reporting the dangerous and illegal hurrasment you and your passengers undergo every time you fly over Cyprus?
Emir Soler from TRNC comments:
Christoph from USA@
'You must be the one of the most hateful person I have even come a cross. You should have been born as an animal.
Turkey was invaded by Greece 1920, 20 years later.
Greek famine 1941, first help come from Turkey.
Turkish president İsmet Inonu was became the first country to lend a helping hand to Greece famine. Foodstuffs were collected by a nationwide campaign of Kizilay (Turkish Red Crescent), and were sent to the port of Istanbul to be shipped to Greece. SS KURTULUS was prepared for her voyage with big symbols of the Red Crescent painted on both sides. After having received permission from London to cross the blockade zone, the ship left Karaköy Pier on 6 October 1941 for the first time. Upon landing in Piraeus, the port city near Athens, the International Red Cross took charge of unloading and of distributing the foodstuffs. In the following months, SS KURTULUS made three more voyages to Greece delivering a total of 6,735 tons of food aid.
James JH lockhart comments:
Poor christoph,
Cannot Answer
Does Cyprus honor or Obey the treaties it Signed to Enter the EU
let me help him
1. 23rd of july 2009 Cyrus Ambassador to the Eu Supplied a letter from the Interior minister to the EU, telling them homeowners were protected under the strictest regulations by lawyers / banks/ land registry.
2. Nov 2009 CPAG verbally and in Writing Supply the interior minister detailing large number of cases Which the Land register in paphos is overcharging people by huge Amounts on IPT tax. till this day the minister remains Silent
3. The central bank was notified of the latest Scam to come out of paphos ie the lawyers Are registering the Sellers As the Owners using the contract of Sale in the land registry, the bank then holds the deeds in the Sellers name not telling the buyer. This Way they Scam The Transfer tax/IPt/Capital gains. probablay about 40000 houses. The bank was Shown cases including one Which the bank kept taking mortgage payments from the buyer, Who does not know the house is not in his name.
feb 2010, the CENTRAL BANK replies it Does not have powers to intervene in this Scandal. (different to What the Eu Was told) But it did Say cyprus Was planning a Financial Sevices Ombudsman, but Since no Staff or offices, And probablay not passed by parliament ???
these Are just Some, never even included ny case Which the Chief of police lied to the EU commision concerning me
Christoph from USA comments:
The facts are, Emir Soler, that Turkey made heap big money trading vital war materials with the Nazi's. You kept them afloat the last year of the war. Unfortunately, rather than owning up to Turkey's responsibility you try and deflect attention away-that seems to be a Turkish tactic on many issues (Armenian Genocide, human rights violations, illegal Cyprus military occupation, etc)!
The Captain from From Far Away comments:
DEAR FEVZI FROM LONDON AND KYRENIA
Although at first glance this may not seem so, be assured that there are many people in the world who do know the realities in Cyprus.
Been visiting regularly since the 1960's....
Now, looking back in history my sympathies go with all Cypriots.
You are still paying for the interests and conspiracies of others.
It is also a fact that Turkish Cypriots have been particularly unlucky.
However, this is not an excuse for Cypriots not to try to do everything they can for a solution on their island.
That is if they really want to.
Because, the world is a big place with big problems.
It does not really care about Cyprus.
So wake up !
Emir Soler comments:
Christoph from USA
Get your facts right.
'
1939-1940-1941, It was your adopted country USA, was the biggest trading partner of Nazi Germany during the war. It was USA who kept the German war machine going for 2 years.
That’s why USA didn’t declare war against Germany till December 1941.
fknose from Cyprus comments:
CY is seeking compensation from the Cyprus Government I assume! Why not seek compensation from the country that is 'blocking' your activities Mr. Lazarides...we'll soon be seeking compensation from the state for the coup (not such a bad idea now that I think of it)...'money makes the world go round.'
James JH lockhart comments:
If i remeber 1944 Britain had to divert two Divisions from fighting the germans to Fight and Defeat the Greek Commies !!! Who then had civial War Against the royalists Which Ended in 1949.
Amazing the greek memory loss of being the great Anti-Fasist War fighters !!!! a bit like EOKA Loud on noise And planting bombs But that it.
Christoph got the letters to Your AG and police And bar Association. or Do you prefer to Cover-Up for Greek cypriots Who Break the law. ?????
told Gou Cyprus Signing EU Treaties to them it only Scraps of paper.
Christoph from USA comments:
Emir Soler, Greece fought the Nazi's in WW2. What did Turkey do? Sold them vital armament materials like chrome and manganese.
Albert Speer admitted after the war that without these vital materials the German war machine would have ground to a halt in early 1944-a year earlier than the end of the war. Every person killed in WW2 the last year of the war can thank Turkey!
So stuff that into your hookah and puff on it awhile, before you lecture Greeks about war reperations and stolen gold bullion. We fought the fascists, you made major coin sucking their cox.
Christoph from USA comments:
James 'Jackass' Blowhard has an issue with Hellenes. He hasn't got any brains since he thought God said 'pains' and he replied 'No thanks, I don't want any!'. But he still thinks his thoughts-such as they are-are of interest to thinking people.
Hey Jamsey Smamzey, why don't you take your 'pinions and stuff them where the sun don't shine? We'll entertain diverging views, as long as they're well thought out. But your scribblings leave us unimpressed.
Don't go away mad, just go away!
Christoph from USA comments:
Fevzi, Germany stole $ 1 Billion in gold bullion from the Bank of Greece in 1941. They paid back $ 85 Million in inflated dollars in 1960. I'd say they still owe Greece PLENTY.
This doesn't even get into the food stores, machinery and other products (the Luftwaffe stole all the Junkers Ju-52 passenger aircraft from the Greek national airways to replace losses they suffered in Crete).
Greece was DECIMATED in WW2, they lost 1 out of 10 citizens to war deaths or starvation/disease during the war. It took them decades to rebuild after the war.
Not to say Greece doesn't need to get their fiscal house in order, they certainly do. But Germans acting all high and mighty now rings rather hallow in Greece. Germany has never owned up to the terrible destruction they did to Greece during WW2-a little contrition is certainly in order!
Get Real! from Nicosia comments:
James JH lockhart: “Cyprus not far behind Greece, same problems”
When Cyprus sneezes, your gypsy “Turkish Cypriot” community catches pneumonia so be careful what you wish for…
Fevzi from London & Kyrenia comments:
Emir Soler: It's true...the Nazis occupied Greece for four years during the Second World War and they stole the gold in the Bank of Greece. They also emptied the food warehouses. It was wartime occupation - anything goes. As a result, there was famine in Greece, people were starving. Guess who came to the rescue. Yes, Turkey! Ismet Inonu sent shiploads of food to Greece.
Coming back to the stolen gold, Germany has since paid compensation to Greece, I believe, £140 million. And Greece has been milking the EU subsidy system ever since they joined, committing fraud to get more subsidies (proportionetly) than anyone else. And, despite all this, they're bankrupt.
The Captain from From Far Away comments:
BEN DOVER FROM LOST IN SPACE
Legal or illegal, the REALITY is that they (Ercan Control) are there.
In the interest of flight safety every airline regularly operating flights through Nicosia FIR has special procedures outlined in their manuals on how to deal with the situation.
We all know that the legal authority in Nicosia FIR is the RoC, and we also respect that.
But we technically cannot ignore the other guys either.
So often it's quite a challenge to fly in the area.
I have experienced instances when both Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot controllers quietly worked together to avoid possible conflict situations.
Obviously there are responsible people on both sides who have the capability and the courage to put some issues above politics.
Which unfortunately cannot be said about the mentioned gentleman...
James JH lockhart comments:
Cyprus not far behind Greece, same problems,
Fevzi from London & Kyrenia comments:
NICK from Morden: 'crumbling Turkey??'
Don't make us laugh. Greece is the crumbling tinpot country right now, in debt up to their eyeballs. They have become the laughing stock of Europe, exposed as liars and tax cheats. By the Greek P.M.'s own admission, Greeks don't pay their taxes and now they are going to the Germans with begging bowl in hand, and if the Germans decide to help they will squeeze Greek belts so much they won't be able to drink Turkish coffee any more. Economists say it will take 33 years for Greece to bring their debt just to 100% of GDP, the actual debt will never be repaid, so Greek children and grandchildren will be born with debt round their necks.
Who is crumbling Nicky boy!
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Greece' best option is to kiss Turkey's hand, plead for a Treaty of Friendship with her big brother so she can reduce her military spending which is choking her. Greece cannot afford the present level of spending on thousands of tanks, hundreds of combat aircraft against the treat from Turkey. The party is over, there are no more loans. Young unemployment is over 28%, there is corruption in government, experts say Greece is going towards 'a slow death'.
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Sorry, Nick
The Captain from From Far Away comments:
My dear Praxandros.
I am not disputimg anybody s authority.
But when I am flying with 200 passengers at 35.000 feet my job is to ensure their safety.
So I am very well in a position to critisize the current situation in your air space.
With your attitude, thanks God that you are not a pilot (I hope) because you would not survive.
James JH lockhart comments:
The truth is When CYPRUS joined the EU All the treaties it Signed etc protection of property the individual Rights etc Are just regarded as Scraps of paper, to be Ignored by GCs
So how can Anybody really trust them to act as a Modern European State ???
James JH lockhart comments:
Christoph,
get on to the Attorney general, CBA president, police, etc Because what it means is, Can Anybody trust the greek cypriot Side, When It refuses to make Accountable greek cypriots who transgress.
So the Orams case is good for greek cypriots But when the Shoe is on the other Foot All you See is silence !!!!!
A young boy brutally Attacked by two men Who Shaved his head hair of As a Warning to me, A police force that helped robbed My house.
So go on get onto them, tell your political leaders.
Yup You are very good europeans from the Levantine !!!!!!
ben dover from lost in space comments:
Ah Get Real from Cyprus Forum finally joins Cyprus Mail - i hope you got Oracles permission as you have both rubbished this paper on that forum??
Back to the subject : CY is either breathtakingly stupid or is trying to make Cyprus the laughing stock of the aviation world.
I would refer readers to the the Hans Christian Andersen Fairytale : The Kings New Clothes.....
The question of Air Traffic contol in this region is a very real problem ,compounded by random violation of Cyprus airspace by Turkish airforce.
To the Gentleman who earlier told the pilot he should do as hes told and stick to his job, when a highly qualified pilot voices concerns over air traffic problems,with respect, its time to forget bravado and the "wont happen to me" attitude and listen, not spout the usual political mantra.
Nick from Morden comments:
Fevzi the postman becomes more deluded with every passing day. The ROC is illegal? Check out the realities my friend. Every country and institution in the world recognises the legality of the ROC. No one except crumbling Turkey recognises the "TRNC".
His comments carry the same intellectual clout as his claims that Greek Cypriot football teams are racist (whilst of course the aprtheid authories in the north of the island are not) and is completely silent about tbhe cultural destruction of the Christian and European heritage of the north of the island. Fevzi stick to delivering the post please andgrow up. Oh sorry of course you are already grown up, you have a beard. Forgive us for not noticing!
As for not being able to sue Turkley in Europe you guys still don't understand the Apostolides case do you? it's not about whether that country is in the Eu or not but whether it has assets in the EU. Now the Turkish embassy in Belgrave Square is a good starting point.
Christoph from USA comments:
Let James babble on, Swansea. He makes himself look foolish with his lack of clarity on the issues.
He references personal actions of Cypriot officials to downgrade a nation-how asinine! Do I need to go to Britain and look into the personal affairs of your leaders, so they can reflect on the British people?! How idiotic!
Compare personal foibles of Cypriots with the murderous behavior of our antagonists across the Green line. Nobody died because somebody played loose with the rules in a divorce case or used their position to gain favorable rulings.
We're discussing Ethnic Cleansing and war crimes here and James is talking about divorce cases and the like-utterly appalling! Grow up James, please!
Psychiatrist from Swansea comments:
James, your comments are self serving and psychotic and not appropriate to this site. You keep repeating them over . You need to get some help.
Get Real! from Nicosia comments:
James JH lockhart: “This idea about greek cypriots stopping Turkey entering the Eu is wearing thin”
Cyprus controls the destiny of 70 million Turks in many ways but it’s for the world’s own good…
In 2005: Cyprus Vetoes EU-Caucasus Relations
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/20255/greek-cyprus-vetoes-eu-caucasus-...
In 2006: Cyprus vetoes Turkey's talks to gain EU entry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/10/cyprus.turkey
In 2008: Cyprus vetoed Turkey's membership to the European Defense Agency
http://www.abhaber.com/english/haber.php?id=4020
In 2010: Nicosia vetoes Turkey exercise bid
http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/main/92,1,283,0,6313-.aspx
And much more! The work being done by Cyprus (keeping Turks as Turks), is extremely important for Europe and indeed the whole world in the fight against Islamo-Fascism (spreading in Turkey at alarming rates) so we can only be grateful to Cyprus.
Brookman from Hertfordshire - UK comments:
Dear Christoph,
You really should get some help from your mummy and daddy when you write to grown up papers. Its not nice to just call people dummy and stupid just because they disagree with you. Do you also roll about on the floor and scream when you get upset?
If you go to school and study very hard, you will learn some big and nice words you could use in your letters and then when you write to the grown up papers, you won't sound like a total moron.
Christoph from USA comments:
Hey James-dummy!-Turkey has commited to obeying judgments of EU courts even though they are not a member. This has been the case for many years. That's how Greek Cypriots like Tatiana Loizidou received settlements from Turkey through the EU courts.
Don't speak about things you don't understand. You only end up looking stupid...errr, stupidER.
Christoph from USA comments:
James JH Lockhard, when God wanted to give you brains you thought he said 'pains' and replied, 'I don't want any!'.
Christoph from USA comments:
It's pointless to argue with Turks, they lack the cerebral wherewithall to understand international law. Just take Turkey to the EU courts and sue them. Sue them everytime they break the law. Sue them in the morning, sue them at night. Sue them on holidays.
When they have so many Court judgements against them that they can't keep up with the financial settlements anymore, maybe then they'll start to understand that you don't flaunt international law without consequences. Lets get the lawsuits started, baby needs a new pair of shoes!
Christoph from USA comments:
Cyprus Airlines needs to sue Turkey in the EU courts for damages, not petition the current government for money. Turkey is breaking the law, not Cyprus.
Sue the pants off the Turkey regime! Make them pay for their law breaking!
Joe Citizen comments:
You can call the Eur Parliament to pass a thousand resolutions for Turkey to open her ports and airspace to you but it will not happen.
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That is precisely the level of school bully intransigence that will prevent Turkey from joining the EU. If you believe that Turkey does no want to join or doesn't need to, there is no need need then for further entry procedures.
Fevzi from London & Kyrenia comments:
PRAXANDROS: The Republic of Cyprus is illegal. The official RoC is not a nation state as it should include the Turkish Cypriots with 30% representation. The GCs have usurped the RoC from the TCs.
You can admonish the Captain but you will continue to fly round Turkish airspace, your flights taking longer and costing millions extra each year. And the prohibition of your ships using Turkish seaports is also costing you dear. You can call the Eur Parliament to pass a thousand resolutions for Turkey to open her ports and airspace to you but it will not happen.
We can 'pretend' to have our own FIR, you say, but the reality is we have flights from the UK and other European countries to our Ercan Airport every day. Ok, we have to land in Turkey for half-an-hour, we can live with that. In the meantime, you have to put up with your losses as well.
Fevzi from London & Kyrenia comments:
The Captain from Far Away,
Thank you for a very meaningful comment. The Turkish Cypriots and Turkey are ready to implement what you suggest but the Greek Cypriots are not willing because they are afraid the TC entity will be 'upgraded' and even might be recognised. This would be a win win situation. As you say, look at the benefits the GCs would have with Turkish airspace, airports and seaports open to them. And the TCs might come to believe that the GCs are not bent on putting them down all the time, having unfairly monopolised the RoC and this kind of confidence-building measure might work towards unity which, the GCs supposedly desire.
Praxandros comments:
"Captain from From Far Away," save your lectures on what we should or should not do, especially on issues beyond your capacity to learn and comprehend, and concentrate only on your duty which is to always abide by international civil aviation rules and laws. These international rules and laws regard the so-called authorities in the north of Cyprus as illegal and a pretend one, and your duty is to follow them without much questioning and dispute. The so-called aviation authorities in the north have absolutely no bargaining chips in their hands, as far as aviation is concerned. They are only a self-declared illegal entity pretending to own a FIR, within the legally existing FIR of a sovereign nation-state, that is the RoC, and you are in no position to dispute this very fact.
The Captain from From Far Away comments:
WHERE THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY......
Both sides in Cyprus have big bargaining chips in their hands as far as aviation is concerned.
Instead of putting your heads into the sand like the Vogel Strauss why dont you folkes stop your childish stubbornness and talk !
There is so much on which there could be compromises, mutual understanding and cooperation.
Stop constantly declaring Ercan an illegal airport.
Allow Cyprus Turkish Airlines and other carriers to fly to and from Ercan directly.
Share all Cypriot airports.
Then not only will Turkey allow you to fly over and land on their their territory but you will also benefit from the huge aviation potential of that country.
You will gain access to a 70 million market and be able to save millions in fuel, maintenance and other operating costs.
Solve your Flight Information Region problems. Talk to your counterparts in the North. There are numerous items on which you could get compromises and rearrange yourselves with.
We pilots are really fed up of having to listen out and talking to on five different frequencies every time we fly through your airspace.
We are not interested in political lectures from air traffic controllers:
"illegal station here, illegal station there"
"flight 123 you are in the airspace of the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus and under my authority"
"flight 123 you are in Nicosia FIR and only under our authority"
"proceed here, poceed there"
"bla bla bla"
We are interested in one thing only and that is flight safety.
And of course to work in harmony and friendship with ALL our air traffic controller collegues in the ground.
I could go on and on and on.....
To keep it short...
With a bit of good will all these issues could be solved.
However:
Continue like stubborn goats and you will continue to have three Cypriot Airlines (Cyprus, Euro Cypria and Cyprus Turkish) operating on the verge of bankruptcy...
... and one day God forbid a big bang in your airspace.
So you polititians and other responsible earthlings:
Stop whining and crying, stop fighting each other.
Get together and do something for a change.
For only where there is a will,there is a way. :) :) :)
Veli from London comments:
Perhaps Mr Lazarides will explain how without flying over Turkey in 2008 CA registered a profit. We have heard of some excuses in the past, but this one takes the cake.
Joe Citizen from Limassol comments:
Will somebody give this Alexy looney some medication and put him to bed. We've had enough statistics to last a lifetime and on top of it the same ones repeated ad nauseum.
John from UK from . comments:
Dear Hassan Kemal, your thinking is interesting but you are trying to compare two completely different cases. On one side is CY who can't fly over Turkey with serious implications on flight times and costs and on the other side are airports in an area that was self declared as a country but is not recognised by anyone except Turkey. Airlines have taken this case to UK courts a few times and every single time they have lost. Hence don't expect anybody to take this seriously even if CY get money from the EU due to the problems they have with Turkey.
James JH lockhart comments:
Will The Paphos Airport Taxi Drivers follow Suit ?????, and claim from the Kitty
Nick Venedi from London comments:
The European Union nees to take the issue more seriously and the new 'President' of the Union should start making the Turkish government comply with rules that must be observed by any state applying for membership, otherwise we will have a situation equivalant to someone applying to join a club and dictating what the rules are? This is unacceptable.
Nick Venedi
Joe Citizen from Limassol comments:
Lunatic assylums in the north have very slack security. Alexy escaped a few months ago and no-one seems to be able to reel him in.
Hassan Kemal from UK/Kyrenia comments:
Get Real!
Who cares what Turkey is?
Look at Greece they are all TAX Cheats.
No one pays tax in Greece why do you think they gone bust?
Again who cares?
Resident from It used to be Heaven comments:
Christina comments:
Lazarides' logic is truly amazing....
Nothing amazing really, when you run out of reasonable excuses and you can't ask the government for any more money because all the believably requests have been used, you have to turn to an idiotic fantasy.
Maybe he is miffed as the government in their amazing stupidity have just thrown €35 million at the other poor airline that we have to now support with our taxes.
Hassan Kemal from UK/Kyrenia comments:
I hope this opens the way for TCs to claim against the ROC for not allowing CTA planes fly direct to Europe.
Last 36 years this must have cost us the TCs public thousands in additonal fees for landing charges at Turkish Airports.
We should at ROC for our loses to be made good.
Andreas from Paphos comments:
Now Cyprus airways remembered this reason??? may be they took funds for all other reasons and now this is the last logic, but i think nothing happened before and nothing will change in the situation after getting the new funds.
Cyprus airways or Eurocypria r the dead elephants.
Christina comments:
Lazarides' logic is truly amazing....