Christoph
Whats your problem? Larnaca is in greek Cyprus and ercan is not in greek Cyprus its in north Cyprus which is turkish ! What is the point you are trying to make?
Its great you guys spend the money and build a cool airport and our hotels use it ,I think it's a clever way off doing things.
Greek cypriots use ERCAN to go to turkey for holidays I know many guys who have gone to Istanbul from here.We share the island we share the airports I think thats quite normal since we will share international power soon .
May I recommend you get a proper job ,you're so bright maybe you should try politics come back to south Cyprus and try to be head off ELAM ?
perhaps you can start a new party called (how to hate everyone greek style)

Özbek Dedekorkut, former president of the Turkish Cypriot Travel and Tourist Agents Association, or KITSAB, said if the Turkish Cypriot government does not now work to attract more airlines to Ercan Airport, more of the European tour operators bringing tourists to northern Cyprus will start using Larnaca Airport as the default destination from next year on. "This situation has forced us to find alternatives, of which one of the best is Larnaca Airport. However, we do not want to depend on it because of the current political situation," Dedekorkut told the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review in early July.

From todays Turkish Daily News:

"The bankruptcy of Cyprus Turkish Airlines, or KTHY, in late June is increasingly prompting tourism entrepreneurs in northern Cyprus to use Larnaca Airport in Greek Cyprus."

Haw, haw, haw....

Well, we've established my bonafides james. Now, what do YOU do for a living? Outside of pollute Cyprus Mail forum boards with your sophmoric views, that is.

James you are such a freaking idiot. Sorry to disillusion you, but I do go to the far east quite regularly on my job. Went there 8 times in 2006, only a couple times this year. It's not that big a deal since my company has extensive business interests in China.

As for not being Mr. Kamel, what can I say? I'm sure he-whoever he is-is just as amused about it as I am. But believe what you will, I don't care for Brits or Scots much anyway so I could care less.

Your son still sporting the crewcut or he grow back his hair yet? Haw, haw, haw..

Bambouin,

Christopher/HaSSan Is A very Good Sparkie, he lights up all Subjects he Posts on,
His favourite is Floursent Tubes two pin !!!

A very En-lightning person !!!!

Loriot from Lapta

The electric current in the US runs on 110V? Do you mean nominal voltage is 110V in USA ?

Ph/N 230V or Ph/Ph 400V in Europe

What are you trying to proof, how uneducated you are ?

Do you get the feeling the posts below are going on a tangent from the article?

By the way Trixi - how's Cyprus Turkish Airlines doing these days?

Christopher,

Thank You For Admitting you Where HaSSan, Same as All your other identies and Stories, ie business trips to Japan.

Huge Difference between You and me My name is on my Post.

As To your Post on My Son Head being Shaved by two Criminals, They are not GCs But a re known in the Paphos Area as John Coles & Dave they Operate a Criminal Gang there Actually they Pay Cypriot Policemen Maximoss Like the name, its Well organised

As A Father I will Walk to the End of time to Bring them to Justice,

As to Land deals now the Cypriot Interior Ministry Have Identified the TWO GC Lawyers involved, Can i name just One Penelope Athindrou, Her Husband runs the Ready Mix Cement Business, (Thanks Christopher for Allowing Me to Post ) Another 10 buyers Give the ROC a Miss !!!

Keep it up

Sue Turkey in the ECHR for failing to live up to it's obligations as an EU applicant member. Damages at $ 500,000 per day. Yeah.

Hassan, James is a one-issue pogue. He got bested in a land transaction by a Greek Cypriot and since he hasn't got the stones to deal with it mano-a-mano he instead comes to forums like this and disparages everything and anything having to do with Cyprus. It's the ultimate form of deflection by a weak willed and impotent Scotsman, but it says a lot about the caliber of person he is. He probably didn't even stand up to the guy who shaved his sons head. LOL

This is the level of cooperation you can expect from a fascist nation like Turkey. Even when passener safety concerns are taken into account the Turks aren't interested. The AKP party are Islamic fascists, just like Iran.

Bretwald: I'll tell you what is of no substance: your ignorant observations. Name me one restaurant or cafe in Nicosia named after a member of EOKA B? And point out one significant incident endured by TCs who have crossed in their thousands into the free areas to justify your stupid assertion that you have to live here 'to experience the hate'.

And, indeed, EOKA is regarded as a heroic organisation, but not for fighting TCs, which its members did very little of – but for giving the British a good hiding and sending them packing from our island.

poetic justice

comments to Val:"No more history lessons please. Can we move on to the most important point on the agenda. putting forward ideas for a settlement that is acceptable to both sides. Any creative ideas?"

Now Val, you said it well in above statement. If cypriots could have done that they would not have a problems and disagreements :). This cultures loves to look back and keep talking what has happened in the past and forget the future.

god bless all of us

Emir Soler: there is not a single GC political leader who even mentions enosis as desirable. If he were to do so, he would be ridiculed. Enosis is not an issue for GCs and hasn't been for decades. And what about TCs renouncing taksim and the idea of two separate states? Partition is as dirty a word to GCs as enosis is to TCs. As for atrocities against TC civilians, these were not committed by EOKA – which disbanded in 1959 – but this is a technicality. Many TCs were killed unjustly during intercommunal troubles and you want criminals to face justice. Fair enough. But would you agree that all those TCs and Turkish soldiers involved in atrocities against Greek Cypriots should stand trial too?

Actually its God's airspace, so there!

Thank you John, as for you James JH lockhart you are a bitter and twisted.

You should go back home to Scotland Alec Salmond might have a job for you as a minister of hate.

Have a good time in Rhodes, Hassan. There is a flourishing Turkish population there, I believe, which lives happily and peacefully with its Greek neighbours, never having campaigned for the island to be divided along ethnic lines or any other such abomination. And, of course, any Greek-speaking TC in Rhodes might find that the Greek Cypriot dialect is well understood on the island since the local Rhodian dialect is related.

Loriot from Lapta

Come over and join me, very nice here. I am going to Rhodes on a day trip tomorrow.

Turkey should have allowed Cyprus airway to fly over her airspace. Hundreds of TCs use Cyprus airways to fly across the world.

It would have been a good gesture on Turkey's side.

Val, you are amazing. After all this mud slinging with hundreds of unrealistic scenarios you really expect a proposal that makes sense to both sides?
Just one thing is sure: the situation can only be resolved with money, not with UN, EU, or armies of imaginations. The past is irretrievable.

@ Mikhailis Phaethonos

Thank you for your excellent postings, they are such an uplifting change from the usual rubbish from both "sides".

boring ...same old stuff..who did this ....who did that....who benefits from all this....

IT takes two to tango-- in Cyprus it takes three!!!!

Mikhailis Phaethonos.

Very well said and thank you. You put the chauvinistic 'usual suspects' to shame....

GetReal from Nicosia --you get real!!!!

Mikhailis Phaethonos@
Well said sir.
But Christoph from USA, John Alexander from UK, Marcus, Niko from Haringey, GetReal from Nicosia, won’t be please with you, because they hate the true facts.

Mikhailis: CHAPEAU!

The issue here is: "CYPRUS has protested Turkey’s overfly ban on Cypriot airlines" and nothing else.
Once the transport and trade obstacles for the TRNC are lifted this ban can be revoked.

We never gave Cyprus to Turkey on a plate! .... she helped herself...

What is more, officers from Turkey helped establish Turkish Cypriot clandestine organizations, Volkan and subsequently TMT. Their members were recruited primarily from the ranks of the paramilitary security force formed by the colonial administration and made up exclusively by Turkish Cypriots, for the purpose of fighting the Greek national movement. Aiming toward total influence amongst the Turkish Cypriots the TMT waged a campaign of murderous terror against their co-nationals in the Trade Unions, the major institutions in which members of the two communities co-operated for common social and political causes. The TMT leadership therefore sought conflict with the Greeks as the strategy for partition.

also :

...These tragic but isolated events were utilised by the Turkish Cypriot nationalist leaders in their propaganda that the two communities could not live together, in spite of the fact that this leadership bore a heavy responsibility for the political situation. A large number of Turkish Cypriots withdrew into the enclaves, partly as a consequence of the hostilities that had taken place but mostly due to the efforts of their nationalist leadership to enforce a de facto partition of the island. In doing so the Turkish Cypriot nationalist leadership had turned against members of their community who stood for co-operation between the two communities.

Even before the crisis of Christmas 1963, in April 1962, the two editors of "Chumhuriet", a Turkish language newspaper advocating co-operation between the two communities, had been gunned down in circumstances pointing the finger at the TMT. In April 1965 another prominent Turkish Cypriot, in charge of the Turkish section of the bi-communal trade unions, was ambushed and murdered by the TMT. This policy of murderous intimidation against supporters of intercommunal co-operation continued through the years of independence.

Is this the plate you are talking about?

The other major purpose served by the enclaves was the political and physical separation of the two communities. Despite the Turkish leadership's claims to be motivated by concern for their community, the policy of forced segregation created very considerable economic and social hardship for the mass of the Turkish Cypriots. This fact was noted in the UN Secretary General's reports on Cyprus:

"Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots (S/6426, Report of 10.6.1965, p. 271)".

Why must we GCs get over it? Why doesnt Turkey get over giving Cyprus her freedom back? Instead of the guns and army that has over run this island...

Time for all Cypriots to claim Cypriot rights and stop the Ethnic identities promoted by others.Both communities are entitled to live, work and thrive on this small insignificant rock.

Greek and Turkish influences should be watered down and the New Cypriots reconcile, and not repeat the mistakes of their forefathers.
De militarise all foreign armies to leave within two months- No need for Armies in holiday island,

Greeks go and fight your battles with Turkey on Greek soil as with Turks, Cyprus is not your playground, based on historical claims of ethnicity, enough the battle field of two fools who stem from the same fathers.We have many common factors, but never has Greece acted decisively in the well being of Cypriots, they call them 'Turk-spore', time to wake up fellow Cypriots.
Create a fair and just island with decent standards without force for all.
Let the UN go and protect less Financially and Academically
advanced peoples,or are we educated beyond common sense and wealthy beyond risk, to consider others.
Our Grandfathers gave Turkey our homelands, and we chat about the Oppressors, they Our fathers murdered the minority and woke up their Big Brother, now stop the chit chat and conform or learn to speak Turkish.
No more National guard armed to the hilt for what exactly? New National guard for All cypriots 16 years old to 18 years old, male and female.Public service duties, assisting tourists, guides airportsand other ports customer service, local city, town and village support for parents, elderly, paid and uniformed -Non military except for registration and duties, as for supporting the new cyprus. Demonstrate Respect, courtesy and hospitality for all Cypriots and visitors.
CYPRUS FOR CYPRIOTS AND THEIR FAMILIES, EUROPEAN ISLAND THATS ALL!

Athens air traffic control problem is sorted. Direct flights to northen Cyprus illegally occupied by the Turkish army are still banned. There is a need for a fair solution to the problem.Return territory to GC including Varosi and Morphou on a ratio of 28%TC/72%GC then we can all celebrate that lovely divorce that MR Eroglu wants to promote. Why go on with this non sensical blame and counter blame ,it is so soul destroying. Perhaps after the divorce we can be just good friends but that all depends if both parties are sensible enough to show understanding on the terms of the divorce.

Tony from UK comments:
If the Greek Cypriots had acted like human beings in the period 1955 to 1974 they would not have a divided island and would not be experiencing these problems in 2010

Did Turkey start the troubles in Cyprus?

Turkey's declared policy toward Cyprus, which had until the early fifties been one of support toward the colonial status quo, began to shift toward a policy of partition of the island along ethnic lines. Professor Nihad Erim, who had been assigned by Turkey's Prime Minister, Adnan Menderes, to formulate a policy for Cyprus, prepared and submitted, in November 1956, a memo proposing the geographical division of the island coupled with the transfer of populations. This straightforward proposal for ethnic cleansing would result in the formation of two separate political entities, one Greek and one Turkish, each of which would then proceed to political union with Greece and Turkey respectively.

It takes two to tango Tony!!The fighting was between the two peoples of Cyprus because of both wanted enosis to their mother lands!Turkey added fire to the flames!

Professor Erim's memo formed the basis of Ankara's policy for the next twenty years. The Turkish Cypriot nationalist leadership became in effect the instrument for the implementation of Turkey's policies in Cyprus. The Turkish National Party's policy shift was reflected in the adoption of a new name: "Cyprus is Turkish Party". What is more, officers from Turkey helped establish Turkish Cypriot clandestine organizations, Volkan and subsequently TMT. Their members were recruited primarily from the ranks of the paramilitary security force formed by the colonial administration and made up exclusively by Turkish Cypriots, for the purpose of fighting the Greek national movement. Aiming toward total influence amongst the Turkish Cypriots the TMT waged a campaign of murderous terror against their co-nationals in the Trade Unions, the major institutions in which members of the two communities co-operated for common social and political causes. The TMT leadership therefore sought conflict with the Greeks as the strategy for partition.

Well done Turkey for not opening your air space. When the boot is on the other foot its not a nice now is is Grekos!

Greek Cyprus got to stop acting like Cyprus is a Greek Island in Mediterranean.
Cyprus is NOT Greek, never been part of Greece either.

This issue demonstrates the mentality of the Greek Cypriots; they are above the Turkish Cypriots. They can fly in and out of Cyprus in any direction that they want, but the Turkish Cypriots cannot. Until there is a mind shift in the part of Greek Cypriots, the Cyprus problem will never be resolved.

Greek Cypriots beleive that by forcing the EU to embargo Turkish Cypriots, they will cause the collapse of the North and take over the whole island. It is about time the EU woke up to this injustice.

look at the blog off the cost off the war and see the racist remarks from JT .

typical behaviour they see themselves a cut above everyone else poor greek cypriots

Dear Original Peter, Trixi.

There are no restrictions for Turkish commercial planes in Greek Cypriot airspace. Even Cyprus Turkish Airlines used it.

Scores of Turkish airliners fly accross every day without any problems. They are treated with the same courtesy by Greek Cypriot air traffic control as others.

In fact if the RoC would close their airspace for Turkish planes it would be an economic disaster for the airlines affected.

Regarding flights to Ercan. No need to blame embargos only.

There are also no restrictions for any non turkish airlines or other non turkish registered civilian aircraft to use Ercan from the Turkish side. In fact it is quite common for foreign registered private aircraft to land there.

Ercan is being avoided. Thats all. If foreign airlines would genuinely be interested to use Ercan they could find a way.

Just as they do when flying to Taiwan.

North Cyprus is not the only unrecognized place on earth.

Off course the "TRNC" would have to make the use of Ercan for others attractive as well.

At present with their current business and political mentality they would have it rather difficult to get customers even in normal conditions.

But then, whats normal on this lovely island... :)

Dimitris:- I am sure there are many Turkish Cypriots in the same position. They are having to put up with the S**t from 40 years ago much more than you.

I remember as a child hearing all the news reports in the 1950's about the GC atrocities to the Turkish Cypriots.
If your present generation does not care about what happened 40 years ago why do you still carry on all the embargoes and lying propaganda against The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus?

Why did they not fly down to Africa and cut across ?
Maybe a stop over in Libya wouldn't go a miss just like we stop over in turkey and wait , how the old and the very ill have to sit and wait in the plane for an hour or so in the heat kids getting frustrated.
The ban should stay and I am sure will stay , turkey is not in the EU yet so complain to who ever you want.

protest, protest, Cyprus airways should ask compensation from the good guys of the JLO protesters for there losses he he
Embargoes have only been one way so far towards the turkish cypriots let turkish airlines fly direct to ercan and maybe they will open up the route for you guys.

I would say a very small inconvenince for Greek Cypriots compared to the real hardship/costs experinced by the turkish cypriots every day by not being able to fly directly to Ercan airport.

I say to the greek cypriots, now you all know how it feels for turkish Cypriots all the time. So when next time direct flights to Erjan is under discussion perhaps you will re-consider your policy and not be so strongly gainst it.