The English were invaders - anglo saxons from Germany.The hungarians arrived from the East,US,Canada,Australia,all invaded , occupied and colonised.

Dave If your jobs so great, how comes your constanly on this website.

I am interested to know, what do you see as a answer, a serious answer if possible, noit involving Euro/Asian ancestry to a Cyprus settlement?

Mike, I love my job. If I knew you a little better I would show you to a link to my employers website. Theirs a picture of me in one of the pages working with locals in Oman on a compressor terminal. That we designed and built for the Sultanate of Oman. The company I work for has it's origins in Iran, when they built the Iran Gas Trunkline (IGAT. At the time the biggest of it's type in the world. The owner is of Iranian royalty, a cousin of the Shah.

Fred
What about the total disregard to human life when Greek Cypriots are concerned and the role of the turk millitary as well as Shite sect's (TMT/Grey Wolves) involvement in incitement of violence against civilians ie ethnic cleansing of over 180,000 people,
Funny how you turks seem to forget the killings committed by TMT on both Greeks & Turks during the 60 and 70s. And by the time turkey invaded the TMT had a force of about 20,000 fighters. Twice as many as the RoC Natinal Guard

Mike, Now find somthing simalar from a non islamic web site

Dave we could probably go back and forth- what's the point.
Its a real shame that this forum doesn't attract more people. Its the same half dozen with different names.

You obviously play this game to wind people up. You know I would be more interested in hearing your views abt a solution. Its better then all this crap abt Europe or Not.

Very text book. You didn't say if you had been to Iraq, Iran - guess you haven't. I Love Istanbul, its a fab city.

Modern Greece is a Victorian invention. The ancient Greeks spread there civilisation more in the east then in the West. There are many non Christian states in Europe i.e. Bosnia,Kosovo, Albania are they not European.

Tell me where did the Renaissance leaning originate from - it was from Moslem Spain. Modern Greece or Greek culture has little in common with West and Middle Europe. It has offered little in terms of your definition of heritage. OK the bouzouki.

Logical thinking, humanism - yes Nazis, Holocaust, slavery, very enlightened all European!
How did you get the name Dave - not very Greek.

At the end of the day, Dave we all have to get on. If you want your homes back and a settlement - then persuading people isn't best done by abuse and harbouring on abt Europe and Mongols.

Mike, As a matter of fact I have been to turkey and my current girlfriend is a turk from Tottenham N.London. As a Mechanical Engineer I do get to travel quite extensively and I know the middle east very well.
The foundation of European culture was laid by the Greeks, strengthened by the Romans, stabilized by Christianity, reformed and modernized by the fifteenth-century Renaissance and Reformation. Thus the European Culture developed into a very complex phenomenon of wider range of philosophy, Christian and secular humanism, rational way of life and logical thinking developed through a long age of change and formation with the experiments of enlightenment, naturalism, romanticism, science, democracy, and socialism.

Mike, nothing to do with being racist its simple Europe is an idea a culture and common history that goes back thousands of years. As I said ealier turkey has more in-common with Iran and Iraq. Turkey wanting to join the EU is the same as Saudi Arabia wanting to join. Thats not being racist its just common sense.
Can I ask you a question about your name, You're obviously a turk. Why do you go by the name Mike?

Mike, the Fact is Istanbul is in Europe. Istanbul's name derives from the Greek phrase "in the city" or "to the city".
But as I said earlier just because you turks have a foot hold in Europe does not make you Eurpean.

Paphos is a candidate city for European City Of Culture in 2017. I wonder will turkey recognise it as such

James DH Lockhart, so did the russian tart take you for every penny then? and left you with a bastard. The milkmans or was it the Greek waiter Stavros?. Now it all makes sense

James DH Lockhart. Didn't you once tell me you were English. Anyway so you bought yourself a nice russian girl well done dude

Mike, the British Empire once had control of Most of Africa and Asia. That doesn't make the English, Indian or Ugandan even though the English love curry. The Ottoman Empire conquered most of Eastern Europe, Northern Africa and the Middle East but their roots and culture is most definitely Asian.

Ealier you said "Turkey is fifth in the Euro athletics medal table. Sorry guys Greece and ROC has none!". And now you're saying "We are all one race Dave". Isn't that a contradiction? Mike I may not be a historian but the one thing I do know. Turkey is the most nationalistic country since Nazi Germany.

Mike, its true Israel Armenia Georgia Russia And Cyprus are all considered to be european. These people have a European cultaure with a common history. The fact that you still have a foot hold in Europe doesn't make you anymore European. Turkey has more in-common with Iran and Iraq. Personally I don't know what our European leaders are up to, when they play the Turkish EU membership game in the face of such widespread public opposition. I suppose diplomacy means never to say no.

Mike, I was wondering when the race card was coming out. These blacks, arabs, orientals, eskimos, etc. that play sport for european teams I think you're find are European citizens. But turkey is a country in Asia so tell me how is that being racist?

Racist as well as bitter. Half the European athletes are Black heritage, most of the French team are Arabs. Think first before you post your racist views!!!!

Turkey is fifth in the Euro athletics medal table. Sorry guys Greece and ROC has none!

Mike, "bitter & wishful thinking"?
Well anyway thank you for agreeing with me, regarding dependence on Turkey and giving good examples

Thats not strange Mike, What is strange is for years the TC's have been trying to convince the world of how badly they were treated by the Greeks. I don't know how many TCs left the island in terror from the Big BAD Greeks, but independent figures indicate that MORE TCs left the island AFTER their liberation by the Turkish army. To quote Suzan Nuri of the London Turkish Gazette "Despite being classed as a non-entity on the international stage Turkish Cypriots are proud to be called as such but are in danger of going the way of the Dodo"
My opinion is that there is nothing more for the GCs to lose and there is nothing more for the Turks to gain. As for the TCs, I think they are the biggest losers. Your independence is nothing more than dependence on Turkey. For all your brave faces the coveted "recognition" remains elusive. You may brag about your "prosperity" as at the same time whine about the world's lack of understanding of your miseries. The world looked the other way when you were created in 1974, and that was a good thing for you then. The world is still looking the other way, and this is a bad thing for for you now

See this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/mar/04/greece-sell-islands-germa...

It strange that Greek Cyps were so desperate to be part of Greece and now they are concerned that TC's seem consigned to accepting to be part of Turkey -?

CHRISTOPH: If the TRNC is not recognised you will not get one inch of territory back and not one single refugee will return to live in the North. Further, all 40,000 Mehmetciks will remain to provide our security and be a threat to you in case you want to repeat 15 July, '74.

If the isolation is ended at the end of the year, which looks likely, all you will get is the Ankara protocol, giving you access to Turkey's ports. Our tourism industry will take off, holidaymakers will come to us rather than go to Larnaca and pay over 3 Euros for a cup of coffee. You will then be able to fly to Istanbul from Ercan to kiss the hand of your Patriarch and enjoy that wonderful city which we brutally conquered in 1453.

'TRNC' has not been recognized for the last 36 years and it won't be recognized for another 36, Fevzi. The reasons for not recognizing it have not changed one iota. If perpetual political isolation is your idea of acceptable settlement so be it. Enjoy the casinos.

HERE COMES CHRISTOPH agan with his intelligent comment. You must have lost a lot property in the North to come up with stupid remarks all the time.
Our soldiers are very well behaved and they are absolutely no threat to anyone, you NEVER see them in bars getting drunk, unlike the British soldiers who used to ravage thro' the bars in Ayia Napa, picking fights and wasn't some murder committed as well?
The settlers are doing our manual jobs and filling the houses and farms/orchards vacated by the Greek Cypriots, otherwise the place will be half empty. That's what you do when you win the war. Turkey made a mistake by not taking over the whole island, destroying completely the military capability of the Greek Cypriots, then forcing them to pay war reparations to Turkey for starting the war and committing atrocities against the civilian Turkish Cypriot population. That way, we would have had a solution then and not wasting time for the next 36 years.

But the time is coming soon. We will have a solution. And it's not going to be unification.

Dave, congratulations on being a shit expert.

Loriot from Lapta, before you embarrass youself even more. SHITE is also a common variant in British and Irish. As a slang term. I'm surprised Fred or didn't know that